First, t5 debuff.
Does it remove any energy resistance?
Does it have 30s duration and 20s cooldown?

Savant capstone/druid 17 form:
Do target loose immunity after I hit it with spell and will it be immune/healed with initial spell and loose immunity after? Or initial spell will do damage aswell?
Only spells from spellbook cause loosing immunity or epic spells/ED SLAs working too?
How long debuff lasting?
Will sorc fire savant core 4 or any other DoT spells refresh immunity loss timer?

I've not run a sorc or druid since they've updated them, so wonder what it's lloking like. Not much info on wiki. Soonish will find out most of it myself cause Im rolling sorc rn, yet would like to know it, so answers will be apriciated
For now all I know about debuffs, they remove immunity and healing from element from mob for all party members. Say if druid in a party in fire elemental form producing fire on iron golem, wizard in a party will do damage to it aswell with fireballs instead of healing it.

Mate you've not answered a single question :-D do initial tick/spell do damage? What about epic spells/slas? Time?

Rzyman wrote on Sep 8^th, 2018 at 6:31am:


Actually not 100% of times. Some champs keep taking reduced fire damage with awaken elemental weakness debuff, some taking increased. It maybe depend on champ type, but seems not about basic resistance, cause infernal fiendish troglodite shaman taken increased fire damage.

You can bypass dr of most bosses and elementals, yet two notable exceptions for fire: sorjeck and Undermine boss kobold. No clue why but this guy kept immunity.

Rzyman wrote on Sep 11^th, 2018 at 6:36pm:

It's more than this... It's a combination of the damage types: Warlock isn't doing JUST elemental damage, at any given time they're also doing Light + Evil/Force + Elemental. And that's not counting any damage from DoTs or Tentacles.

It also excludes the fact that Warlock is much better equipped with HP, Temp HP, UMD, PRR/MRR and unlimited blasting than even a fully twinked Sorc could ever hope to be.

A lot of people miss the point that DPS is a much more complicated calculation than:

DPS= Damage Dealt - Mob Resistances/Immunities.

It's more like:

DPS= Your Damage Dealt x (0-100% Mob Immunity) - Mob Resistances - Mob Damage Dealt - Your Remaining HP - Time spent Healing/Incapacitated/Dead.

In this regard, it's hard to see how even with massive numbers, a Sorc ever comes out ahead.

Rzyman wrote on Sep 11^th, 2018 at 6:36pm:

Agreed.

Sorc needs help.

I always thought adding a secondary Spell power that works off their primary (Like Cleric Elemental Domains) would be a good start.

Something like:

Fire Savant: Your light spells now use the higher of your Light or Fire Spell Power and Lore. You gain Sunburst as an SLA.

Water Savant: Your Force, Untyped  and Physical Spells now use the Higher of your Force or Cold Spell power and Lore. You gain Horrid Wilting as an SLA.

Air Savant: Your Sonic Spells now use the higher of your Sonic or Electric Spell Power and Lore. You gain Soundburst and Reverberate as SLAs.

Earth Savant: Your Negative spells now use the Higher of your Negative or Acid Spell Power. You gain Earthquake as a Conjuration SLA.

Ice savant sorc may win around 20% single target DPS over fire and ele and get close to actual DPS, yet in a price of loosing AOE. Plus getting unfailbe DC both for evo and conj is not that easy task.

I've nevet told warlocks are not easy button on heroics >< Those numbers exactly what I mean. Sorc damage per fireball at ~15 would be 300-350 before crits. Warlock total blast around 200. Yes eldrich wave and eldrich blasts are better than actual sorc SLAs, yet they are interrupting attack sequence.
Tentacles is easy button on heroics too yet they are not providing helpless. The advantage of warlock class you can do sustainable\burst damage fast enough to take any hits. Starting lvl 8 if I run r1s I can just hold left mouse button and run to the endboss any quest, rarely interrupting attack chain for doors and tentacles.
Still, only source of helpless for warlock is hold\masshold, while sorc can shout, flash to stone, hold. At, say, 16, fireballs do 330+450(SLA)+550(DBF). Add 200 shout damage without spellpower item and multyply by 50% helpless. Even gshout-sla-dbg is just 1.7k damage before crits in the first two seconds. Add +15% if you are dragonborn.

I'm not saying sorcs are better, I'm not saying warlocks are worse. I love all arcanes myself, I build and play them pretty well. Thats different classes, obviously, requires different playstyle. Warlocks are much easier on heroics, you can play them with a single button and outdamage rest of the party, while sorcs having better scaling spells and bigger list of spell and wizard better DCs and selectable spells.

This was my first epic and legendary expirience with sorc after rework, so once none told any answeres I wrote them myself and shared my opinion. Warlocks cant to do higher skulls dps, sorcs can. Actual sorcs dps at cap twice as big as warlocks. Warlock base damage capped 70 base, with 1100 spellpower x1.3=1430l, 15.3 multiplier its 1071 damage. With x3 crits maximum 3k crits per blast,
Sorc base spell damage from 150\175 (dragonborn, master of fire, +3 clvls from draconic or magister) with 1200 spellpower 13 multiplier 1950 and 2275, 2700 SLA. with 2.55 crits its all more than 5k.
Plus, it fully bypass imunnity and healing, better DCs than warlock, slightly better crit chance.

If you go ice savant dragonborn, run magister and twist 3clvls from draconic you can go sick 224 both niac ray and sla base & 190 polar ray. Yet you will loose energy burst.

If sorcs do 3 spells in a time warlocks do 3 blasts (and for me its looking like this), its about 3.5k dps warlock against 6k dps sorc. Thats my point and thats numbers I have observed. 3.5k is not that shitty for elite or lower skulls, but try out pfft pfft on r7 :b

Oh, and sorcs actually can get meta +300 on all of their spells plus getting +200 20 second bonus from draconic and shitty feat that you will never take outside sorc :-D

So the only obvious way for endgame warlock is DC warlock, cause ~110 necro still reachable on them and good DC tentacles\web\hold\ still good. And sorcs actually can do some significant damage mid to higher skulls, but not as good as adequate DPS.

Did you get to test this out ;

Heat Death: You raise the internal temperature of a living target to lethal levels. The target must succeed on a Fortitude save (DC: 10 + Constitution Modifier + Sorcerer Level) or take 2,000 points of fire damage as its blood (or other internal fluid) boils in a horrific manner. Fire creatures are immune to this effect. (Activation Cost: 50 Spell Points. Cooldown: 1 minute.)

Does that use spell power? Can it crit? Seems insane to have in heroics if it can use spell power and/or crit.

Rubbinns wrote on Sep 12^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:


lvl 16 sorc has lclvl 12 fireballs, clvl 14 if dragonborn, lvl 20 dbf, and lvl 21 if dragonborn.
3+1d3 is 5 avarage. so 60/70 and 100/105 base damage.

As warforged (25 universal in racial tree, dragonborn will have 30) at lvl 16 I had 450 fire spellpower before reaper and unbuffed (slaver with spinnaret+beacon set with burnscar, cc dagger with combusion\ins combusion). Thats why I taken this nubmer.
60*5.5 = 330
60*7.75=465 (rounded down to 7.5 though)
100*5.5=550

Rubbinns wrote on Sep 12^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:



Having done both a few times I'd say that there is also a survivability difference.  On a sorc I can kill faster no question, but when things go wrong the lock is more likely to run away to survive the encounter due to more hp/temp hp and more defenses.

For fun it's a no brainer, warlock is an easy button and sorc requires more attention.  If I'm not looking to coast I'll be running a sorc over a lock every time.