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Re: U40 Monk Nerfs
Reply #25 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:05am
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Whatever critical shit you wanna say about Lynn...

...communication makes or breaks a game. I have a lot more trust in the devs now---deathwyrm and doj lag was a fucking nightmare. The communication was basically, "get fucked raiders." There was a long period of the game getting worse. It's been getting better since reaper (mostly).
  

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Reply #26 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:09am
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Monks do need a Nerf. So does tempest burst, given their ungodly AOE. Dodge needs a nerf (probably the mabar helmet first).

Granted I'd rather see them fix bows, damage casters, and that fucking TR cache.
  

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Reply #27 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:13am
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Cordo is so bad at the game. To work on a game you should probably be decent at it.......
  

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Reply #28 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:26am
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abcdefg wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 5:54am:
From what I gather from Lynn's posts she has been working there for two years, first as an intern and now as a full time employee. I also gather that her capabilities don't extend far beyond fixing typos.

If a company sees fit to hire a full time 'dev' who after two years can't do anything but edit item descriptions, why would anyone expect any of the senior devs to be any good at their jobs?


I want to add that although my last post was critical of Lynn's development capabilities, I do actually think she is a credit to the ddo team. She's just in the wrong role. Seeing as she is the only dev with the balls to have a two way conversation with players, she should be the community relations manager.

Or if she really wants to be a game dev, maybe she just needs to get out of her comfort zone, jump into the code and start rewriting things. If it doesn't work, who cares. Just revert it, it's only a dev build.

Or you know, they could have her work alongside a supposedly competent senior dev and actually progress her that way.

Anyway, on the actual topic of the monk nerf. It's retarded, that is all.
  
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Reply #29 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 8:44am
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:13am:
Cordo is so bad at the game. To work on a game you should probably be decent at it.......


Cordo doesn't "work" on a game.  He's not a dev and couldn't code his own name.  He's paid to be the face of the company to the peasants who play.  He's bad at the game and bad at life.
  
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Reply #30 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 9:44am
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:00am:
Imstead we get dad saying, "Just trust me. That quarterstaff capstone was really overperforming."


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Reply #31 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 9:51am
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It is like the player council. they don't except critics there either. they can only take so much different opinions - like 2 posts - and then they shut down.
they are developers, not good players. while those positions don't have to be exclusive in general, in this company it seems to be a prerequisite.

This will go down the same way as EDF.
  

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Reply #32 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 10:28am
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:09am:
Monks do need a Nerf. So does tempest burst, given their ungodly AOE. Dodge needs a nerf (probably the mabar helmet first)

The helpless damage is what needs nerfing, the values in spy and falcon. but they wont nerf falcon because they rather just nerf monks during heroic progression instead of the shintao capstone, and keep the falcon tree as is because $$$. Let's not kid ourselves.

Tempest does not need a nerf, it's a burst clicky, any of the other dps builds overtake its dps output after 1k cuts goes on cooldown. This is only noticeable on raid bosses or high skull bosses, and would be more apparent if the game used dps meters per encounter. Rogues, barbs and fighters all pour in much more damage after the 15 seconds of tempests burst are up. That is 75 seconds of cooldown where the other builds pile on immense damage that any dps meter would make it look like tempest needs a buff. If dojo kobolds were set to 1 mil or higher this would also be easier to  display that difference.


If they nerf the helmet then they will come for meld, uncanny, and primal travel too. Or fuck with champ and reaper buffs making dodge bypass more common.


They will never fix bows or magic dps, or ranged dps. If anything they will probably nerf throwers again, just because morkas solo'd r10s. They cant fix every perch. The magic dps nerf was largely because guys like goldie, sestra, teth, eth, ath, and some others all smashed legendary content on shiradis. The devs responded by stealth nerfing the joy proc ( and denying it while BLATANTLY ADDING IN 2 MORE OUTCOMES THAT DILUTE IT... ), and nerfed the individual procs behind the scenes. They even went so far as to try to say " we dont see the big deal with shiradis " lo fucking l.

Theyre never reverting that. ever.   
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Reply #33 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 10:57am
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Why does this clip pop up in my head when I think of this nerf?

No reason...

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Reply #34 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 11:09am
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Well, given that monks have more defenses and cc than other classes, it's fair that they do less damage. Funny how the melee DPS balance is again close to what it used to be right before they changed twf and killed rangers. Now just need to undo the garbage 25% buff.
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Reply #35 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 11:28am
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:05am:
-deathwyrm and doj lag was a fucking nightmare. The communication was basically, "get fucked raiders."


This imo is the worst thing about DDO. Just like the ToD and Shroud lag back in 2011. How can you have a proper endgame where lag is your biggest challenge?

This is the main reason why a server merge would destroy ddo. The higher the server pop the more lag you get. To a point where the game becomes unplayable. No one talks about this and instead talk about guilds, names, the resources it would take.

No matter how much I want DDO to have a higher population. I know deep down it would make ddo unplayable.
  

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Reply #36 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 3:57pm
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Rose-tinted Goggles wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 11:28am:
This imo is the worst thing about DDO. Just like the ToD and Shroud lag back in 2011. How can you have a proper endgame where lag is your biggest challenge?

This is the main reason why a server merge would destroy ddo. The higher the server pop the more lag you get. To a point where the game becomes unplayable. No one talks about this and instead talk about guilds, names, the resources it would take.

No matter how much I want DDO to have a higher population. I know deep down it would make ddo unplayable.

There are no individual "servers" anymore. It's all virtual boxes on the same machine so merge or no merge, lag will basically be the same.
  
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Reply #37 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 10:09pm
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Asheras wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 5:36pm:
No.  He means +1 to your attack modifier.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Attack_bonus

https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Attack_Roll

"To Hit" is not actually a thing anymore.  That died when THACO went away with third edition.  It is an Attack Roll.  With an attack modifier.

Your character sheet and weapons call it an Attack Modifier, as well.





But he didn't say Attack Bonus, or Attack Roll, or Attack Modifier.  He said Attack.
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+1 to Attack while using Handwraps instead of 0.5[w]. 


Here, I can link the wiki also:  http://ddowiki.com/page/Attack

When Attack is a term and Attack Bonus, etc are also terms, you'd think that the devs would use the correct term instead of the wrong term and seem to rely on the players to interpret through their errors.

You might think this is a small thing, and that people should know what they are saying even when they use the wrong terms because of the context, but they frequently misuse the terms of their own game and then act surprised when players arrive at conclusions that are different from what they are actually implementing.  "Whaaat?  We never said we were going to do that!"  And sure enough they didn't say it, they just implied it very strongly and didn't bother to contradict the dozen plus posts that followed which all used the misconception that they created as their basis for discussion.

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Reply #38 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 9:51am
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The most funny part is that they are nerfing monks because some ppl that exploit cosmetic daggers bug.

Why they dont delete those toons too?
  

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Reply #39 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 10:40am
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Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 10:09pm:
But he didn't say Attack Bonus, or Attack Roll, or Attack Modifier.  He said Attack.

Here, I can link the wiki also:  http://ddowiki.com/page/Attack

When Attack is a term and Attack Bonus, etc are also terms, you'd think that the devs would use the correct term instead of the wrong term and seem to rely on the players to interpret through their errors.


Meh.  You are being intentionally obtuse or pedantic at this point.   Picking a nit on the internet just to be difficult.

The real issue is that handwarp monk is not that much ahead of Tempest or Barbarian at this point afaik.  Unless the argument is that their utility/defense suggests they should be behind ranger and barbarian and fighter, not even with them.   But that's not the reason given.

  
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ILoveExploits wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 9:51am:
The most funny part is that they are nerfing monks because some ppl that exploit cosmetic daggers bug.

Why they dont delete those toons too?

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How do you even post that stupid shit, lil nigga.
  

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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 11:24am:
YeAh BrO ThE ExTrA 1W OmG ThE DpS..... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How do you even post that stupid shit, lil nigga.

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ILoveExploits wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 11:54am:
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Your powers of comprehension have my pity

  

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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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ILoveExploits wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 7:39pm:
stupid broken champs or even this bs reaper.

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Reply #45 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 1:56pm
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It has been so long since I played a monk, nerfed, buffed, nerfed... I should play one just because It would feel like a totally new class. Lat time I did it was get 30 ki, something dies...
  

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How I can see it:
1) monk nerfs not needed at all. They are not winning DPS race and to be played well on higher skulls need to drop a lot of DPS, cause 50mrr hurts. They benefit greatly from pastlife feats, probably on of the most benefitiant class, yet triple-everything not making them gods till well geared.
2) aasimar neeed nerf. 10% hp, prr, mrr, 60 hamp and sick numbers on LOH all at once. Thats not best DPS race, but too well rounded consider to others.
3) They'd better do something about balancing ranged DPS and especially energy spellcasters. There like 3-4 ranged builds that can do something on higher skulls, and those exclude pure ranger or fighter with bo\xbow\throwing weapon. Energy damage just suck balls right now.
4) they need to rework badly all the trash trees: archmage, kotc, vanguards, eldrich knights, warsoul\warpriest, Thieft-acrobat.
5) rip off this trash 25% hp buff. Worst designed thing they could ever make.
6) rework bear again. It has okay potential right now, but how many bears can you see running? On Orien (I believe most populated server still) literally 0. Poor guys who just trying it respeccing in like 1 hour or TR as soon as possible. Super boring to play, super slow attack speed, super short cleaves.

Yet its all wishes. They will do whatever they want sell. Both balance and disbalance is business, and its actually not competetive game. So we'll just have to deal with what they are feeding us Sad
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Rzyman wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 4:12pm:
super short cleaves.

I tested the range, bear basic attacks use the longer cleave range of other races and weapons.

Rzyman wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 4:12pm:
2) aasimar neeed nerf. 10% hp, prr, mrr, 60 hamp and sick numbers on LOH all at once.

the healing is absurdly stupid, monks self-healing for 1k in reaper seven.
  

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Oh, almost forgot, they need to do something with epic destinies finally. Why the fuck we have 12 if 90% people stay in 2? :-D 10% are fury\shiradi throwers, US tanks and people who just leveling EDs lol. Arcane sphere is just not needed right now at all, you can just twist all the shit you need. Martial sphere not that bad actually, but on most classes you wont give up best mp\rp + 30 prr. And primal just not playable outside fury ranged, since both shiradi and tree are broken.
Big rework here would be damn good.
  
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Reply #49 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 4:30pm
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"Nerfs" in general only become necessary when one build dominates the meta. This isn't a PvP game, class balance isn't much of an issue. It only really comes a problem when one specific build becomes so overpowered that there's no point in playing anything else, and DDO is definitely not at that point.
  

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