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They are niche T5s for sure, not entirely noob bait or casual bait. T5 Warchanter has a very niche use for a super high vorpal damage SWF swash splash build. I think I pumped a 19-20 roll up to 9x multiplier for Axe of the Unseen Blow. But granted that was just going full retard on a single weapon. A heroic weapon at that, so the damage was awful at cap when it'd be most useful.

Warchanter is going to need some serious boosts if it's supposed to be a main tree for a certain type of bard player. The +8 to hit and damage that the devs state you'll get if you go full retard (pure bard in Fatesinger... lol) is paultry. I can get +8 to hit and +11 to damage from Vistani alone. Kensai is similar with +8 to hit, +11 to damage, or +12 for two handers/crossbow. That's not even including the bonuses from feats required for the kensai weapon lines...

The bard themselves is going to need a self bonus for taking the line, like double or 1.5x, where the party gets the basic +8 crap. Since there's going to be no adjustment to AP costs at the moment, and Warchanter is an AP sink. I also dislike that the damage and utility from the capstone being changed is being ignored by the devs. Losing an additional +5 to hit/damage, the +15 PRR, and +15 stacking resists is a nerf. I really hope they add something back to fix that.

Spellsinger on the other hand just needs the damage spells to be uncapped or have their caps upped so they are useful beyond heroics. They could use a bit of sonic crit chance as well. As it's sad to be an effective SS nuker, you practically have to spash 3-6 levels of sorc. On the CC abilities more folks are more skilled to comment than me. Fascinate has to be the most boring (albeit useful) way to play a bard in my eyes.

Revaulting wrote on Oct 16^th, 2018 at 8:05pm:


As long as it doesn’t have pitbull(the artist or the breed) growling unintelligibly for a minute and a half, I’ll take it.

Barkabout wrote on Oct 20^th, 2018 at 4:58pm:

I'll sit and listen to 'em by myself.