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Re: Heroic vistani druid/monk leveling build
Reply #25 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 3:53pm
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 12:55pm:
what is snowslide's dc based on now?
did they unfuck it?

easily one of the coolest abilities in the game


I looked into this for you.  The tool tip says:

"Stun vs Reflex DC: 10 + Druid Level + Highest of Wis/Dex/Str + Stun Bonuses"

I think Deadly Instinct stun bonuses (50% of wis) must be applying. The tooltip DC it shows me is 44 which is clearly not right as that is lower than 10+ my Druid level + my wis mod.  I think it is a display error and it is applying the dc formula listed above as I'm freezing stuff at a pretty good clip.
  
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Reply #26 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 10:44pm
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Options to consider over 1rogue:

1 fighter
1 wizard
1 warlock
1 artificer
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Reply #27 - Nov 7th, 2018 at 12:48pm
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What ED are you playing in?
  
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Reply #28 - Nov 7th, 2018 at 4:50pm
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OSeanessy wrote on Nov 7th, 2018 at 12:48pm:
What ED are you playing in?


I have been playing with LD since it was empty of epic xp and needed to be filled up.  However I have had in the back of my mind that Primal Avatar might be awesome for this build....so I tested it.

I solo'd Devil Assault on R2 at level 27 twice to see how each destiny "felt" and how fast I could complete.

On both tests my twists were:

Sense Weakness
Meld
Dance of Flowers
Stealthy

Results were almost the exact same time for each:

31m 25s Legendary Dreadnaught
32m 4s   Primal Avatar

They both "felt" pretty dang good although I think I'd slightly give the edge to Primal Avatar. My wis was 7 higher on PA and thus my CC stuck much better, plus the additional knockdown and the straight dmg boost.

My weapon has full prowess set and that is what kept LD in the game.  If I didn't have prowess Primal Avatar would be way better.

Of course you can also go Unyielding or Divine Crusader as well if you needed to level up that sphere.

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Reply #29 - Nov 10th, 2018 at 4:57am
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Ulysses wrote on Nov 7th, 2018 at 4:50pm:
My wis was 7 higher on PA and thus my CC stuck much better, plus the additional knockdown and the straight dmg boost.




PA has a straight line of 6 wis, and taking the 6th tends to rule out some of the better t6 options (of course Avatar of Nature is now junk so maybe this is easier) so I'm curious where you got your 7 wiz?
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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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Reply #30 - Nov 11th, 2018 at 7:38pm
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Im guessing he took 5 Wis and Spirit Boon (+2 Primal bonus to Mental abilities)
  
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Reply #31 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 12:47am
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Justanotherlurker wrote on Nov 11th, 2018 at 7:38pm:
Im guessing he took 5 Wis and Spirit Boon (+2 Primal bonus to Mental abilities)


That's it.  Since you're not worrying about spirit for Avatar of Nature (not even taking that) you have plenty of spirit to keep Spirit Boon up 24/7.  The 12s dodge clickie is awesome too as well as the other stance that gives you plus 30 to hide which directly increases your sneak attack with Ethereal.
  
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Reply #32 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 4:23am
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Ulysses wrote on Nov 12th, 2018 at 12:47am:
That's it.  Since you're not worrying about spirit for Avatar of Nature (not even taking that) you have plenty of spirit to keep Spirit Boon up 24/7.  The 12s dodge clickie is awesome too as well as the other stance that gives you plus 30 to hide which directly increases your sneak attack with Ethereal.



Thanks for that.  I should have guessed since I use that while leveling Primal Avatar on alts.
  

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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

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Reply #33 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 2:10pm
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Amended op with 17/2/1 split.

Edit:  Wtf is the forum thing where I said "the f1rst p0st " and it kept putting in "boobies" instead. Hilarious.
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Reply #34 - Feb 2nd, 2019 at 2:35am
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This looks like fun, just need to farm up the dagger and buy falconry I guess. Thanks for doing the leveling guide. Was hoping to see the falconry tree on sale or for favor sometime soon.

Thanks to the other poster for posting the guide to farming the dagger, let's see how that goes.

Looking good, I got the dagger and the falconry tree (I just bought it as the favor farm was just near impossible for me).
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Reply #35 - Feb 2nd, 2019 at 6:09am
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Falconry with favor is tentatively scheduled for next week (I say tentatively because it has been dropped from its intended release a couple of times now).
  
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Reply #36 - Feb 3rd, 2019 at 12:03pm
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ok great that will save a few points for something else!

Guess sharn will not be for points... never mind
  
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Re: Heroic vistani druid/monk leveling build
Reply #37 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 12:34am
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does bluid have acceptable DPS with high DC?

what is the dps rate? 15k? 20k?
  

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Reply #38 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 11:49pm
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I'll be running this again soon and can let you know. I ran this about 4 lives ago and have missed it ever since. So fun to level, so fun at cap. The part I really liked while leveling (looking back) was how it seemed like you power spiked every single level between spells you get or new enhancement levels.

  
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Reply #39 - Feb 7th, 2019 at 10:55am
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I enjoyed it too probably my favourite build to date as it could do everything - (Dodge)Tanking/Trapping/CC/Heals/Dps/Instas though its not top tier in anything. I didn't follow the build as written but I totally stole the idea and changed some things based on my preferences (eg I added a rogue level before the OP).
  
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Reply #40 - Feb 9th, 2019 at 10:59pm
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are you swapping to a thrower for using the ranged bird attacks or something or can you somehow do ranged attacks in wolf form?
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Reply #41 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 4:14am
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The bird portion of the attack is always ranged doesn’t matter if you take the ranged or melee version of the attack.
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Reply #42 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 12:34pm
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The melee version does a melee attack animation but the bird has a huge range. So if you are up close you get the melee attack and the bird strike. If they are far away you do a melee animation to the air but the bird will go after whoever you have targeted (no matter the distance away).
  
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Reply #43 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:12pm
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oh I see very interesting. I'm so used to always having a target for IPS I never thought about swinging in the air with someething far away targeted. Also didn't realize the attack would go off without connecting on the actual attack. Cool stuff

Sounds like i probably missed some good exploits on this when I wasn't playing and it first came out
  
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Reply #44 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 10:48pm
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When Falconer first came out you had to connect on the melee attack for it to go off.  They adjusted it just slightly later on to have the huge range.
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Reply #45 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 5:17pm
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But no AoE? I can't play heroics without AoE. How is this faster than a sorc to kill stuff? Or than the traditional barb wolves?
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Reply #46 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 8:24pm
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Vaultaccount wrote on Feb 18th, 2019 at 5:17pm:
But no AoE? I can't play heroics without AoE. How is this faster than a sorc to kill stuff? Or than the traditional barb wolves?


Just did a heroic life like this. Great build, super fun, AoE is a problem. You do have a few spells which can help with this like ice storm, wall of fire and cold breath. Obviously you need to pay a little bit of attention to DCs and spell power for this to be viable but it's much better than nothing. Also I was regularly instakilling things with FoD as well which isn't AoE but as you run up you can kill an extra mob before you get to the pack.
  
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Reply #47 - Feb 19th, 2019 at 7:15pm
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Vaultaccount wrote on Feb 18th, 2019 at 5:17pm:
But no AoE? I can't play heroics without AoE. How is this faster than a sorc to kill stuff? Or than the traditional barb wolves?


Ya AoE dmg is nice, especially for R1-3. This build I would say excels in the R3 to R5 range in heroics.

Every powerful class has spikes where it excels like Sorc at level 6 when it gets fireball et cetera.  Some classes are also better in specific difficulty ranges.

This build, however, feels strong the entire way up. Maybe not "the absolute strongest" but steadily strong the entire way from 1- 30.  The single target dps is so high I never regretted not having AoE dmg.  I thought about taking cleaves but realized it would slow me down as they don't doublestrike and have a long animation compared to your usual attacks.  I can say this, the speed at killing things was not at all a problem. Even if, as a build, it is behind a Sorc at killing a group of mobs the massive run speed makes up some of that as you move on to the next encounter.

Also want to point out that druids get a AoE persistent dmg spell at level 5 in spike growth which does nice dmg if you have force spell power boosted up.  At higher levels if you want to AoE through R1 or R2 you can always just take Body of the Sun and be a walking Wall of Fire. It also gets Icestorm, Wall of Fire and the new Acid Aoe Dots as well. The problem is your single target dps is so high you end up not using the AoE spells as like 2 or 3 mobs die in the time it takes you to do the spell casting animation.
  
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Reply #48 - Feb 21st, 2019 at 7:58am
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I am sorry but can you explain what dodge and listen skill has to do with anything? And you keep referring to a night revels cake, are you talking about a different item than the hood of unrest as that only last 20 secs and you are talking about much longer than that apparently.
  
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Reply #49 - Feb 21st, 2019 at 8:02am
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Nevermind i just realized it was the cinnamon candy.
  
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