I'm not a numbers guy..if i had to guess probably not as much as there should be.

And why shouldn't sorc burst dps be the best in game? It's got a cost, you'd have to learn how to "git gud" to figure out which situations you lay into your spell bar or not, ect.

If you just make it infinite and sustained it'd just be a mostly better version of boring as fuck warlock. What I will agree with is echoes being reworked so when you blow your load you aren't absolutely useless as fuck. 15 spell points every what 5 seconds is kinda bullshit. up that to maybe 40 spell points every 5 and i think casters in general would be in a good place.

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Probably right. Though in r10 glancing blows are trash because the base damage is so low anyway. The benefit of the 1st, 3rd, and 4th attack are so severely diminished that the increased focus dps of swf or twf are more desirable than glancing for under three digit damage numbers. And Tempest puts out way better aoe dps in comparison due to dance of death being immensely better than glancing blows.

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This is how the POE devs do things.

SSG pisses me off because they could so easily be marketing themselves as basically PoE the MMO.  Complex characters, dungeon crawling, TR cycles (seasons), etc...

Ah well...

It would be so nice if they had someone with some fresh ideas or innovation there.  I wanna believe that someone is there suggesting cool new shit but it's just WoTC constantly shutting them down.

Like, I remember Lynn talking about how Sentient Weapons was going to be this cool new thing that had never been done before in any game ever and it was going to totally blow our minds.  I legit got excited.

Then they released info and it was "LGS augments."

I want to believe on the drawing board it was a series of weapons that would have it's own quests inside of it, and it would become a sentient hireling companion that you eventually brought to life and all sorts of fun cool stuff.  But WoTC was like, "Nah...we'll save that for NWN.  What else you got?"

Anyways...

I mean look at what they did to Renegade Mastermaker.  In PnP it's about turning yourself into a badass magitek cyborg.

In DDO it's 90% repair spell SLA's and the one 'defining' attack they pulled from PnP they made suck. I mean it looks cool, so kudos on that, but an AFK warlock hits harder.

How they keep taking these potentially cool things and fucking them up is beyond me.  It took the community about 3 seconds to come up with 100's of cooler ideas for EK but Steel is all like, "Nah, we good fam.  You're getting a shittier version of tensers and that's it."

Why is it so hard to do both Evoc and Enchant? I run both with functional DCs on a bard i'd think a sorc that specializes in casting only would be able to pull off better DCs than me?

My dps calcs showed about the same thing. Were you using +5MCL staff?

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Oh, so you think your idea of "run an evo caster as a DC instead" is not retarded?  Well, good news for me.  Anyone who's retarded enough to think that's a good idea is a terrible judge of retardation levels so I give your opinion exactly zero fucks of care.

Back to the topic at hand, here are the three things most likely to come out of the caster update.

1) SSG will buff evo spell damage to the stupidly high levels they're previewing and give themselves congratulatory reacharounds for *fixing* the entire game and curing cancer as a bonus.  Then they will promptly ignore all the complaints and feedback about the overpowered and bugged shit they put in and go play some Santa Claus themed Pacman LARP while mocking their customers.

2) All the mouthbreathers on the mobos will think the aforementioned stupidly high evo spell damage is great until they roll into R8+ and realize they're still out of spell points after the first 5 minutes of a mission.  Sadly, said mouthbreathers will likely compensate for the spell point problem via buying stacks of potions from the store, which will further convince SSG they are rockstarz.

3) Since SSG didn't bother to actually fix the primary problem facing evo nukers (spell point burn rate) in high skull content but instead just piled on MOAR DMG, they will now be unable to address the spell point issue without utterly trivializing everything below 2 skull content for evo nukers.  They are essentially turning evo casters into the same thing as pre-nerf Auralocks who could annihilate entire rooms of mobs at runspeed with 1 or 2 buttons.

SSG has already gone through these motions with melee DPS builds. 

First, they buffed melee DPS to full retard levels via gear power creep, tweaks to the trees and classes, and so on.  When the unwashed masses continued to complain that their 900hp glass cannon DPS build still "can't do high skull missions", SSG ignored them like Beyonce ignores poverty.

Eventually, SSG got tired of the whining and *fixed* the problem by giving melee a stance that wrecks the teammate healing in exchange for a few hundred extra hit points which changed the chances of said shit glass cannon dps build of getting one-shotted by about the same chance Gramh has of not being stupid (0%) rather than actually addressing the problem of gimp trash mobs in R10 being 10x more dangerous than raid bosses on LE. 

Now, thanks to the idiotic DPS powercreep they've given melee while virtually ignoring defenses for non-tanks, SSG's backed themselves into a corner.  Any DPS melee build properly built for R7+ just roflstomps their way through anything R2 and below and now if SSG increase the defensive capabilities in any meaningful way, they turn high skull melee DPS builds into godmode.

I didn't say to run DC instead? Just suggested that if you want to run high skull content maybe utilize what works with what you want to do, because it's dumb as shit to run something in difficult content that is razor focused that already knows what the issues they'll have in the content? But no do pretend like the melee dps should give 0 fucks for prr and dire charge is just making them into a DC caster. Come on Digi/Tilo try a little harder. Your butthurt and stupid are showing.

ZooperDooper wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 11:42am:


Dat's Jell-A-Tainious cube

Spec for =/= only spec for. I guess I need to use less words so you understand? Spec nuking need also spec CC or Instakills for r10, or else doing stupid. Just like speccing only survivability instead of also threat make tank stupid, or dps speccing only dps and not survivability stupid, or only speccing heals and not cc or instakills stupid for healers. Does that make sense? At all? That you'd want to be good at something more than just one thing because if that one thing doesn't work you're screwed? You're trying to argue that they should make all mobs weak to fire or else fire spec sorcs don't do any dps, that's the level of stupid of your argument. I didn't say nuking was bad, just that if you're a one trick pony and want the game to mold around your flavor build of "da awesomest pyro caster evar!" then you're not cut out for difficult content.

Even more to the point, so you want them to contradict themselves and build classes to work for r10 after everybody has made a point of dogging them about even looking like they are building for reaper at fuck all? Come on man you're just looking to shit on someone. That's cool, this Pavlovian study that is the vault shows that if you get a bunch of malcontents together they will think their ideas are great because they are around other malcontents, just acknowledge that you just want something to shit on.

TL:DR you can spec Evoc and still have enough gearing/feats/ect. to spec for Enchant or Necro as well so that you aren't shoehorning yourself into a bad position. Also the majority of  you are so up eachother's asses you'd agree to anyone that is also up said asses with you.

Also because you can't just say what the fuck you mean in one go digi/tilo and edit every post like your retardation necessitates going back over your stupid to make more stupid. Yeah I advocate build diversity so we aren't all stuck into your stupid "well can it do monk single target dps? no? garbage" mentality. That's what keeps ruining the game is everybody needing to press their stupid meta shit onto every single change that comes out. Does every build need to be r10 viable to really promote build diversity? Fuck no, why should it?

Digimonk wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 1:21pm:


Spoken like someone who doesn't understand how to build anything at fuck all, but you're strong in the ways of the Tilo.

Show me your awesome building skills then digi? Instead of riding the coattails of the vault? I'm more than happy to show my bard build any day.