Then don't say your dick is bigger than my dick if you've not got the confidence to whip it out?

The problem is you're trying to compare a DC instakill caster to a dps caster which is ground floor stupid. I could make that similar argument about DC instakills cost per kill vs melee dps cost per kill. There's no way from that standpoint to make Evoc casters on the level of DC instakills.

Your only basis of being right is that it's gonna cost Evoc casters more and more as the skulls get ratcheted up. I see the solution to that problem as being adjusting how you play and what you build for for harder content like is usually the case for adapting for harder content, your solution is to gut out the costing tied to casting spells entirely and make another standard mmo rotation based generic aoe/single target dps class that doesn't have to make any dynamic choices or decisions just pound down 5-6 keys when they come off timer and win. Your stupid idea would work in generic mmo wow clone shit, but it goes against the grain of ddo where casting has always been about resource management. If your dumb ass wants to blow all your spell points on the first group of mobs in r10 instead of softening it up for the help be my guest and show how bad you are at playing a caster. What you actually want to be playing is a dumb one button warlock.

So you chastise me for homosexual jokes then you go straight to one yourself? Pathetic man.

My solution to evoc caster is to not try to race your dps against melee dps, i know the concept of trying to not lead kill counts is hard for you to understand, and save your big spells for the boss fights. Utilizing dc casting which is going to be far more spell point cost/mob killed savvy, and you can still toss in your evoc spells for good measure.

The reason I'm not gonna do that thing you suggested is because 1. i'm an average player and soloing r10 isn't gonna be something i'm going to dps my way out of anyway 2. i don't know of anyone personally that would be able to do r10 solo 3. if i'm not doing r10 solo then what is the point you're trying to make 4. what point are you trying to make by challenging me to something that doesn't prove anybody's point?

You're so stupid you can't even put up a good counter argument or a challenge that makes sense

Digimonk wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 6:45pm:


You're not accounting for AOE or boss killing utility. You kill 12 mobs in 12 spells.

REALITY

In LN
Instakiller kills a mob in 1 spells for a total spell point cost of X*12.
Evo nuker kills 12 mobs in 1 spell for a total spell point cost of Y.

In LE
Instakiller kills a mob in 1 spells for a total spell point cost of X*12.
Evo nuker kills 12 mobs in 2 spells for a total spell point cost of Y*2.

In R1
Instakiller kills a mob in 1 spells for a total spell point cost of X*12.
Evo nuker kills 12 mobs in 3 spells for a total spell point cost of Y*3.

In R5
Instakiller kills a mob in 1 spells for a total spell point cost of X*12.
Evo nuker kills 12 mobs in 6 spells for a total spell point cost of Y*6.

In R10
Instakiller kills a mob in 1 spells for a total spell point cost of X*12.
Evo nuker kills 12 mobs in 12 spells for a total spell point cost of Y*12.

Quote:

Congrats, you completely missed the point and more importantly, the subtleties of that joke, which isn't really surprising considering the intellectual capacity you've displayed thus far. Here's a hint, gay and retarded isn't really a homosexual joke on these forums.  It's an inside joke/phrase/etc that is just another way of saying you're exceptionally stupid.

Please try to avoid strawman fallacies.  I never challenged you to solo it.  By all means, put together a group for your R10 runs.  Just play your bard as an evo nuker instead of how you normally run it.  Bards have multiple evo spells.  Hell, if Tilo can manage to soundburst his way to LN greatness, surely you can manage something in high skull runs?

See how it works to be carried through the entire mission because you'll be mostly worthless due to doing shit for damage because you're not min/max'd spec'd for Evo and because you run out of spell points halfway to the next shrine.  Then think about how stupid your suggestion to play an evo build as a non-evo nuker in high skull content is on from both the fun and functional perspectives.

Digimonk wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 10:01pm:


Holy fuck me jesus did you just say that there was subtleties to calling me gay? I can't even, that's beyond fuckin stupid, I just can't.

Scratch that, can't decide if you just love the smell of your own shit that your head is that far up your ass or if you're just that fuckin stupid.

Except you used the homosexual gay in reference to your i guess we can call it a dick, so your subtlety is gay and retarded in the foolish and stupid sense. Use words better I guess? I dunno, what can I expect your heads up your ass I'm surprised you could google let alone post pictures.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 8:50pm:


This is still a problem. To get the numbers where they need to be for R10 they will be brokenly powerful in easier content. Now I don't know if the changes get them where they need to be but if they do then the forums will be flooded with complaints at how OP Sorcs are in R1 heroics.

The solution isn't as easy as increasing the damage across the board (as much as I will love doing some fast and easy racial lives) but to take a look at scaling in Legendary Reaper content.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2018 at 2:18am:

No, but apparently you need someone to explain to you how instakilling works just as well in LN as it does in R10 assuming you have the DCs for it but that evo nuking does not.  Your point about AoE damage is valid, it's not relevant to the point I was making.  Instakilling was just used to highlight the difference in spell point burn rates. 

I'll try a simple simpler explanation since you seem to be simple.  Take instakillers out of the picture and consider Evo nukers on their own.

How many spell points would an evo nuker have to burn to kill 50 mobs in LN?  Now how many to kill the same mobs in LE?  And in R1?  And in R10?

Notice how the numbers change as the difficulty changes for the evo nuker?

Justanotherlurker wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2018 at 7:52am:


Why not just increase the drop rate of the SP soul things? Seems simplest. Increase with skulls?

Digimonk wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 12:08am:


So what you're saying is that nukers have to adjust their tactics as skulls go up? fuck me that almost sounds like they are ramping up difficulty with each skull >.>

Skoodge wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 5:56pm:


What a pumpkin-spice-sipping white girl thing to say.