Undocumented drama is boring drama.

My post is gone so it was in response to this:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/501031-First-Look-U41-Eldritch-Knight/...
Steel's post:
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More important is the feedback from people who have played it on Lamannia so far, which has been generally positive. To (once again) be mildly blunt, theorycrafting without playing provides far less useful feedback, as it's often based on assumptions and guesswork that aren't accurate.

Which makes sense; we've been playing with this tree for a month or two internally, and people are now seeing it for the first time and starting to grasp what's possible with it. We know what build types work and don't within this version of the tree already. I've built 13 different builds using this tree and have run them all through actual content. There'll (of course) be builds using it that we didn't expect in the end, which is great, but those don't tend to emerge until 2-3 weeks after a new tree hits Live and people start really working with it.

When we hear several people say "I haven't played it, but this ability/tree seems really weak" vs. a few say "I've played this on Lamannia and it feels fine", we're more likely to lean on the latter, because it's based on actual play.

Also, as we've said before - How often a build gets played has no bearing on how powerful (let alone how valid/good) a build is. There are plenty of decently powerful builds that aren't played that often. Like Beacon of Hope and Renegade Mastermaker, this tree has a non-typical playstyle. It won't be for everyone, but we're hoping that it'll be fun and able to hold up in content for those who want to play a hybrid melee/caster.
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Basically I reminded him that quarterstaff builds aren't a thing and told him to take his own advice when he forces us to accept his ideas about builds.  Honestly, anyone with skin of any thickness could have easily shrugged my post off.. He also edited a bit, removed "to be blunt" to mildly

Edrein wrote on Nov 15^th, 2018 at 6:12pm:


Only that it is a permanent ban.

Snu Snu wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 7:43am:


You don't need to post a video to showcase that a 2 minute buff is annoying garbage to try to keep up.

You don't need to post a video to point out that "Conjure pots" is a dumb as shit enhancement when the CD on the SLA pots (which don't require a reagent) is short enough that you will never need to use the reagent-requiring pots.

You don't need to post a video to state that keeping up a buff that allows you to heal someone every, what is it, 90 seconds with a 90 second recast? Is also super annoying.

Having to crunch numbers and post evidence videos should be a LAST RESORT to point out bugs or glitches or things that are not working as intended.

It's their job to test these things and do the math.  Where's the video of them taking the new EK build for a spin on R6 Strahd?  Why is the onus on me to show that it's bad when the onus should be on them to show that it's good?

I'm the one spending money, not them.  I'm not getting paid to test this shit.

Quit apologizing for them Jesus Tap Dancing Christ.

That being said I like the new spells.  My heroic sorc is going to be bonkers.  Blaster caster will suck balls at level cap still but look out r1 Gianthold!

Okay, I clicked on this since I haven't heard about this Eldritch Knight update, so I was somewhat excited, since I think the tree is a cool concept. Then I actually read the proposed changes...

It's still gonna be a shitty tree overall. It got a few buffs, like fewer AP costs for certain things, but for the most part, it's unchanged and it still has the problems that old EK tree had. There aren't enough ways to get melee DPS from that tree, which should be the point of a tree like that. Instead, their focus is on forcing players to specialize in both magic AND melee, which isn't going to work. You need to spread your enhancements, feats, and equipment WAY too thin if you want to become competent at both. The way DDO works right now, it's more viable to specialize in one or the other. But it's ultimately going to gimp you out if you try to become jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none.

I'm pretty sure even a triple-triple-triple completionist who's running EK is going to be missing spell DCs a good amount of the time and is going to be dealing subpar melee DPS. No point in running the tree, especially when warpriest exists. Why run EK when you can get much more melee benefit from a cleric/fvs tree and heal in addition? I've tried out EK builds in heroics and even there, they felt underwhelming; I can only imagine how much worse they are at endgame and cap.

Doesn't surprise me if you got banned for simply asking a question.

Zehnpai wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 10:23am:

Also needs video.

NoGoodDoc wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 2:45pm:


I'm waiting for someone like Aelonwy to get the hammer next. She might not get a perma-ban for how prolific she is, but given her posts as of late I'd say she's one bad change reaction from joining the rest of us no good deviants.

Snu Snu wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 9:29pm:


The devs have no idea what is best in slot and so have designed shit rewards for the past 2 updates. The only thing they understand is stats increasing.

NoGoodDoc wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 6:45am:


It's fun watching them turn to the dark side isn't it?  It's going to be fun watching Renvar turn eventually.

Zehnpai wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 2:51pm:


Why would think he would turn?  He generally is pretty even handed and I think there is still a lot to like about SSG handling of DDO (with the exception of them humping the shit out of cosmetics to pad the RL expansion)
  My beef is with Steelstar because he likes to talk down to the players and that post was a perfect example.  I made the mistake of watching him and Jerry go on about the caster change during the Wednesday podcast.  It was really obvious he values his own opinion very highly..  When I read that post, I just couldn't resist.   I canceled my VIP renewal but it runs till April, I don't plan to spend any more actual cash on this game.. or so I say right now.  Who knows.

Renvar is about as even handed as I am wholesome and cheerful.

Tspoon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 12:54pm:

I am more than certain that any build that steel had posted wouldn't even be in the top 10 dps times I can get on the lama red named dummy.

There are like at least 5 wolf variants that beat it.
At least 2 rogue splits, and either could be swf or twf.
At least 2 fighter splits, either swf or twf.
A tempest.
A Monk.

The best qstaff split for dps I could come up with was 12 6 2. It's in the dps test thread. Peaked at 33 seconds, lows at 37 seconds. I can bet anything that steel could not reach what i was getting on his qstaff build, or even the split i tested.