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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5977 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	DDO's Threat System and Vanilla WOW Dec 27^th, 2018 at 1:41am	Print Post
	On an elite run of Killing Time, it occurred to me that our endgame raid has the same problem as Vanilla WoW: the tank can't hold threat. Intimidate (or "taunt") are just not good enough for bjillion dps toons. The problem gets better as the skulls go up, but a tank with 120 intimidate does the equivalent of "4k dps." Onyxia wipe animation with the best nerd rage ever recorded:

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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5977 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: DDO's Threat System and Vanilla WOW Reply #1 - Dec 27^th, 2018 at 1:45am	Print Post
	Good video about Vanilla WoW's system:

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Dickbutt Titan Demolisher Offline Richard Butkus Posts: 386 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2011	Re: DDO's Threat System and Vanilla WOW Reply #2 - Dec 27^th, 2018 at 6:32am	Print Post
	Paranoia and Treachery work well together. Negotiator's spectacles also helps. Pugging can be an issue if you get someone competent enough to actually put out over 4k dps, but stupid enough to not use threat reduction.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: DDO's Threat System and Vanilla WOW Reply #3 - Dec 27^th, 2018 at 8:36am	Print Post
	Dickbutt wrote on Dec 27^th, 2018 at 6:32am: Paranoia Nice. This should be an easy swap for most melees on the Mighty Stormreach helm. Lose insightful deception from exchanging Executioner's, but still get to keep seeker. Guess I can add that to my farm list now. Treachery single slot filigree is definitely worth it. WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Dec 27^th, 2018 at 1:41am: Intimidate (or "taunt") are just not good enough for bjillion dps toons. The problem gets better as the skulls go up, but a tank with 120 intimidate does the equivalent of "4k dps. I was fucking around with Czl the other day in KT, he was tanking. I tried to pull aggro off and it took way more than 4k dps to pry that dragon onto me from him. Took blitzing, boosted and a tenser's. I'd say around 20k dps while prowess is up and ticking.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: DDO's Threat System and Vanilla WOW Reply #4 - Dec 27^th, 2018 at 1:06pm	Print Post
	Occultation threat reduction from Dark Diversion stacks with everything else that I've tested. The Blender pulls a lot of aggro, even with 31% diversion, 20% occultation swapped in, and diplo (w/ negotiator specs). Has anyone tested if Treachery threat reduction works for ranged? (even though it says melee)
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: DDO's Threat System and Vanilla WOW Reply #5 - Dec 27^th, 2018 at 4:13pm	Print Post
	I agree that dps threat outstrips intim threat currently. A well built DPS can pull Agro if they want. But a well played DPS will not. Either learn how to throttle your threat gen or learn how to check your ego at the door. Most agro switching is either player ignorance or arrogance.


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: DDO's Threat System and Vanilla WOW Reply #6 - Dec 27^th, 2018 at 4:53pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Dec 27^th, 2018 at 4:13pm: Most agro switching is either player ignorance or arrogance.� I see that a lot. Ticks me off every time, too.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: DDO's Threat System and Vanilla WOW Reply #7 - Dec 27^th, 2018 at 11:42pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 27^th, 2018 at 1:06pm: Occultation threat reduction from Dark Diversion stacks with everything else that I've tested. It's weird, I just went back and looked at it again, and either they changed it or I misremembered....But the effect log is showing Occultation not stacking with regular (enhancement) diversion, and showing Rebellion as a stacking (insight) bonus. Whereas I would have sworn before that it was Rebellion that did not stack with regular items and Dark Diversion was the oddball.

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GimpyPaw Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 351 Joined: Jun 24^th, 2012	Re: DDO's Threat System and Vanilla WOW Reply #8 - Dec 28^th, 2018 at 8:49pm	Print Post
	Partly the raid leaders fault. People need to be told they can't kill the dragon, so don't try. Save the blitzing fury many10k for the trash. A lot is the ego thing. "I spent a lot of time on this toon, watch my uber dps!" And part is a total lack of understanding on what's going on with the tank. Almost nobody builds tanks anymore, and even fewer have the patience to spend 30 minutes holding down the shift key while tapping the hot key for intim every 8 secs. They don't know how intim works, or why turning the boss is such a bad thing.


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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: DDO's Threat System and Vanilla WOW Reply #9 - Dec 29^th, 2018 at 1:56am	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Dec 27^th, 2018 at 4:53pm: I see that a lot. Ticks me off every time, too. Yeah, but the last time someone couldn't tank your aggro, it was a completely different game.

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Sid Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 27 Location: Prague Joined: Jul 29^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: DDO's Threat System and Vanilla WOW Reply #10 - Dec 29^th, 2018 at 4:26am	Print Post
	GimpyPaw wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 8:49pm: A lot is the ego thing. "I spent a lot of time on this toon, watch my uber dps!" Watch as i am destroying the dragon and yet he will never turn to me�


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