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ZooperDooper Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1204 Joined: Oct 27^th, 2014	Arguing over pointless shit on Main Boards Jan 8^th, 2019 at 4:28pm	Print Post
	They've got an 'in depth' discussion on the boards about the card order in Strahd. What does it mean.. blah blah blah. I chimed in real short and fast that the only concern is for torch pulling.. that's it. The types of trap here or there is irrelevant... traps are ALWAYS in the same spot.. who gives a shit what type it is? Everybody runs past the Wards, tries to weave thru the spikes, and sometimes they wait for the air jets to be disarmed (sometimes they take their chances and try to boogie past) Not ONCE in the 30-40 times I've run Strahd on ANY difficulty, did anyone give a shit what type of trap was where... the only constant was everybody gathered before waking up the Hates hiding under the stairs....


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Arguing over pointless shit on Main Boards Reply #1 - Jan 8^th, 2019 at 4:52pm	Print Post
	The exact placement of the spikes differs with card order, actually.

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ZooperDooper Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1204 Joined: Oct 27^th, 2014	Re: Arguing over pointless shit on Main Boards Reply #2 - Jan 8^th, 2019 at 5:04pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Jan 8^th, 2019 at 4:52pm: The exact placement of the spikes differs with card order, actually. My point being it doesn't matter what the placement is... partys treat them the exact same way every time...
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Arguing over pointless shit on Main Boards Reply #3 - Jan 8^th, 2019 at 5:22pm	Print Post
	ZooperDooper wrote on Jan 8^th, 2019 at 5:04pm: My point being it doesn't matter what the placement is TO ME ... partys I run with treat them the exact same way every time... FTFY. Some people actually want to learn the nuances of the game. I don't think that's a bad thing, even if the metas don't find it worth their Xp/min to pay attention. It's cool if the game has depths to explore beyond what the optimal path is.


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Darcat DQ Assaulter Offline BEEFCAKE!! Posts: 487 Location: Up your ass Joined: Apr 28^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Arguing over pointless shit on Main Boards Reply #4 - Jan 8^th, 2019 at 5:48pm	Print Post
	how bout pointlessly arguing over pointlessly arguing shit


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Arguing over pointless shit on Main Boards Reply #5 - Jan 8^th, 2019 at 10:04pm	Print Post
	Darcat wrote on Jan 8^th, 2019 at 5:48pm: how bout pointlessly arguing over pointlessly arguing shit Why do you sound oddly sober right now? wtf! bring back the Darc I love!

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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Arguing over pointless shit on Main Boards Reply #6 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 12:33am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jan 8^th, 2019 at 10:04pm: Why do you sound oddly sober right now? They're stepping on his pointless toes

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Arguing over pointless shit on Main Boards Reply #7 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 12:40pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Jan 8^th, 2019 at 5:22pm: Some people actually want to learn the nuances of the game.� �I don't think that's a bad thing, even if the metas don't find it worth their Xp/min to pay attention.� It's cool if the game has depths to explore beyond what the optimal path is. I'm all for a nuanced game. The nuances should be interesting though. I was pleasantly surprised to find the NPC Escher in one of the side rooms in Ravenloft and have a little dialogue with him. That was a fun little detail even if it was irrelevant to the mechanics of the quest.

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Tspoon Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 396 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2013	Re: Arguing over pointless shit on Main Boards Reply #8 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 12:42pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Jan 8^th, 2019 at 4:52pm: The exact placement of the spikes differs with card order, actually. And this is a perfect example of something that I am sure whoever came up with it (and also who doesn't really play the game, or run that raid much) thought, "this is cool, I'll change the trap locations based on the card order..." but, in fact, it's pointless and offers nothing to enhance the experience of the raid. Underwater combat comes to mind... It would be different if it was a room where you could run through easily if you knew were the traps were, so memorizing card order and trap location would have value.


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Tspoon Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 396 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2013	Re: Arguing over pointless shit on Main Boards Reply #9 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 12:44pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Jan 8^th, 2019 at 5:22pm: FTFY.� � Some people actually want to learn the nuances of the game.� �I don't think that's a bad thing, even if the metas don't find it worth their Xp/min to pay attention.� It's cool if the game has depths to explore beyond what the optimal path is. FFS Ash, do you stop to sniff every brown rose?...


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Arguing over pointless shit on Main Boards Reply #10 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 4:30pm	Print Post
	Tspoon wrote on Jan 9^th, 2019 at 12:44pm: FFS Ash, do you stop to sniff every brown rose?... No. But I can respect that there are other play styles besides my own.


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Tspoon Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 396 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2013	Re: Arguing over pointless shit on Main Boards Reply #11 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 5:38pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Jan 9^th, 2019 at 4:30pm: No.� But I can respect that there are other play styles besides my own.� � Well, in this case, I guess that argument would be valid if knowing where the traps were was of any value to anyone playstyler or not....


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9984 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Arguing over pointless shit on Main Boards Reply #12 - Jan 10^th, 2019 at 12:30pm	Print Post
	why bother with the spike locations... the boxes are always at the same location... Send the rogue ( note : rogue meaning the guy that can disarm, it doesn't needs to be an actual rogue ) ahead, don't be dwarven barbarian stupid and wait for the rogue to disarm the traps and you can have all the fun without having to time or whatever.

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Tspoon Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 396 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2013	Re: Arguing over pointless shit on Main Boards Reply #13 - Jan 10^th, 2019 at 12:43pm	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Jan 10^th, 2019 at 12:30pm: why bother with the spike locations... the boxes are always at the same location... Send the rogue ( note : rogue meaning the guy that can disarm, it doesn't needs to be an actual rogue ) ahead, don't be dwarven barbarian stupid and wait for the rogue to disarm the traps and you can have all the fun without having to time or whatever. Absolutely, but even worse and this gets to basic quest/raid design, that particular "area" is set up in a way that you can't zerg it, and it's extremely difficult to know where you are exactly on the staircase. Do the doors even have labels like in the quests? And this correlation has been known since day one and I have yet to see anyone post anything about trap position and card order. It's a "because we can" feature, like putting an extra door handle on the bottom of a car door, does it serve any purpose? No, but it's there if you want to... Well, actually it turns out that there is a very small subset of human beings who prefer to live their lives as lizards, not even free standing lizards, fully walk on all fours lizards. This bottom of the door, door handle is, as you might expect, very very useful to these people so they don't have to break "the mood" if you will, to enter their cars. I salute the DDO team for embracing this type of conceptual framework in their designs.


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