Ever since the most recent patch, people have been complaining/claiming that their PRR is either reduced and/or non-existent. While smart people would realize that if they suddenly had 0 PRR they would be seeing MASSIVE increases in incoming physical damage, this theory/partial theory has continued to persist.

I did an R5 Bruntsmash incoming damage test yesterday, that I thought pretty clearly outlined that PRR was WAI, but a few people still seemed to claim that they were having issues.

You can view that video at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NHBF17c13A

End result, there was a noticeable increase in incoming damage from dropping PRR.

High with all gear (379 PRR): 280
Low: 176

High missing armor/weapon/shield (173 PRR): 479
Low: 249 (seemed like an outlier, most were ~350)

*Edit: I’m only getting about 5% deviation. Taking the base 379 PRR test, my character is taking 20.88% of damage on hit. Applying that to the average of the test (100/20.88)x230. I get a base damage value (with 0 PRR) of ~1101. Meaning each percentage point of PRR is worth 11 damage.

Removing the low outlier from the 173 PRR test (it’s 100 points lower than the next closest) the average for 173 PRR becomes 383. With the percentage of incoming damage being 36.63% damage taken on hit. 36.63x11 equals 403 damage. The difference between what I actually took (383) and what I should be taking (403) is 4.9%. And the difference damage wise between what I should have taken and did is less that 2% reduction from PRR.

This was the information that I posted on the mobos about what I saw, and tried to break it down. I will admit that Nokowi confused me for a minute when he was talking about 10% difference, and to be honest it took me a while to figure out what he was talking about. He is not wrong when he says that the low number is about 10% too high based on what my low numbers were, but he phrases it poorly. It is about 10% to high in relation to the damage I took. For the reduction to be about 10% less than what it should have been it would have had to be a 100-110 damage difference. The actual reduction difference was about 2% higher than what could have been expected based on what I was taking with 173 PRR.



Today I decided to do a further test after I was told that people had done extensive testing in EE Grim and Barrett and had seen no noticeable increase in damage.

My video can be viewed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wnsq9SpTdc
Apologies in advance if anyone is annoyed by the music, I forgot that it would be picked up by my mic.

Data of incoming hits for those that don't want to watch a black abashai attack me for seven minutes set to the tune of Post Malone:

20 hits with 354 PRR: 68/90/80/82/83/81/78/85/70/94/82/79/74/83/82/80/75/71/72/87 Average damage over 20 hits: 83.35

20 hits with 180 PRR: 116/122/146/140/136/96/115/151/105/118/109/134/136/139/115/115/121/149/129/140 Average damage over 20 hits: 126.6

Now to break that down:
354 PRR = 77.97% dmg reduction, or 22.03% of incoming physical damage taken. (100/22.03)x83.35 gives 378.34 as a base incoming damage (each 1% reduction from PRR = 3.78 dmg from this test)
180 PRR = 64.29% dmg reduction, or 35.71% of incoming physical damage taken. (100/35.71)x126.6 gives 354.52 as a base incoming damage (each 1% reduction from PRR = 3.54 dmg from this test)

Predicted 354 PRR damage based on 180 PRR test results (3.54x22.03) = 77.98
Predicted 180 PRR damage based on 354 PRR test results (3.78x35.71) = 134.98

To go from what damage I took with 354 PRR (83.35) and what is predicted based on the 180 test (77.98) is a difference of 5.37 damage, or essentially 1.51% more reduction required
To go from what damage I took with 180 PRR (126.6) and what is predicted based on the 354 test (134.98) a 2.2% damage reduction loss would be required. (-2.2%)

You can predict how much damage you will take with a different PRR stat to within a 0.7% damage reduction difference. With this small of a sample size it's close enough to say that PRR has not changed from pre-patch values on given damage reduction, especially considering I use Deific Warding on my tank so my PRR value changes on hit and likely modified the data.

Hmmm...

I just ran through Battle for E-star on EE and I took a hilarious beating. I also know that certain *ahem* features are displaying on my equipment that normally aren't there... I'll leave it at that because these features are beneficial.

Perhaps the numbers show correctly but I haven't had that much grief in E-star since MotU rolled out. It seemed that either my PRR was showing but not applying or my Fort was 0% or both. The spike damage was outrageous. And that's without the champions figured in. Stance changes in Unyielding Sentinel didn't seem to affect anything either. Neither did toggling Epic defensive Fighting.

Something is askew, and since this is de facto the same company that said Wi-Flagging was a figment of player imaginations for years in AC before finally acknowledging it was a thing, I am inclined to go with my personal experience rather than fixed variable tests done in isolation (no matter how well executed and thorough).

I will tip my hat to the OP who ran the tests however. That's some thankless work he did. 

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 4:42pm:

But ur taking bigger hits!!1!

thnx really great information.
my monk  is running
300 prr
90 mrr
400 ac give or take
i just droped to a under 400 fort
25% incorporeal. with a displacement pot.
the under 400 fort has me worried what is the idea fort for dps.
since i no longer can call myself a tank due to sword and board as it should be.
if you know what is the idea fort please share.

Head-Meat wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 5:19pm:


Have items really bloated to the point this is within the realm of possibility?  That's 4x more than I had 6 years ago. Crazy.

Head-Meat wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 5:42pm:

This sounds about right.

My Monk is sitting at 168 AC, so a bit low.

My S&B Paladin tank is around 327 AC.

Munkenmo wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 6:02pm:



Hmmm, what did I miss. I don't see any comment from an Arkat.

Munkenmo wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 7:48pm:



Ahh, makes sense. Cheers!

Munkenmo wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 6:02pm:


Same game, bigger numbers. Lots of powercreep with Ravenloft gear, sentient weapons, reaper ap, racial ap, etc. I forget how long ago you quit, was epic reincarnation a thing?

Good stuff. I conducted a similar test using Kor Kaza (where I had seen people complaining about their PRR "being bypassed") and found that my PRR was functioning to within a few percentage points of its expected value (2.98%, which is extremely close and can be accounted for by acknowledging the small sample size).

I used my average PRR when doing the math to account for deific warding.

As far as I can tell PRR isn't broken, they just changed the curve so that you now need more PRR to shrink the size of your incoming damage numbers. To be perfectly honest, it totally got me at first - I thought something was up, which was why I wanted to test it. Happily everything seems to be fine.

Slick Stick wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 1:31am:

Yeah, but power creep is a different category of fuck-up.