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Good bye silent avenger set...

yardarm_ wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 8:21am:


So you prefer two sets that tie up 8 gear slots and give +15% DS and +10 MP  and +20 Hamp +25% fort bypass and +10% helpless for 1 set with 3 pieces (all of which are better than the crap you have to wear for silent avenger.  You get DS, Deadly Insight Deadly, Armor Piercing,threat reduction, seeker, relentless fury, deception)  that gives 15% DS, 25 MP, 15% helpless?   ANd 5 extra slots to do what you want (Hint there are other sets in this pack too)

If you can't see it, then wait for someone who actually knows how to build show you how it works.

Yummy.

Asheras wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 8:35am:

the set is not good enough and the set items are trash and don't get me started with the rest of the junk. Silent avenger has great set items and the set bonus is still good stop being retarded.

Yeah... Those sets are questionable.

The battlemage one is a real head scratcher. The set is clearly designed with Wizard EKs in mind, yet has no PM synergy and only boosts WF healing.

Calling it a "Tanky Spell DPS" set is also weird. How the fuck is it tanky? How the fuck is it DPS. Let alone spell DPS.

Gunga wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 11:16am:


Lets see how it will turn out if your crit rate sinks to your iq level

I am very skeptical that the gear is an upgrade for anyone without 100% fort bypass in quests with constructs or undead.

The gear looks ok, but I think the change over isn't going to be more than 5 to 10% damage versus non-constructs. Maybe I'm wrong, but the set bonus is not better than silent avenger for anyone not running precision. People running precision are definitely going to see a DPS upgrade through the new gear. Rogues get no downside since they're over 100% fort bypass when geared properly.

It also depends on how many mobs are constructs/undead in the new pack. In ravenloft fort bypass is very important if you have a reasonable threat range. If half your damage is crits then you get about 0.5% to 1% damage back for every point of fort bypass you are missing. Melee power is also in much higher supply than fort bypass i.e., it has less returns when you start multiplying everything out---you get less than 0.5% damage per point.

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For a DC caster I'm having a hard time seeing the usefulness of any of the gear. Nightmothers is better than the new goggles and there isn't a reason to take nightmothers off. The old slave lords artifact bonus is still better by 1 but the new set gives you +4 artifact charisma---so they have the same DC bonus. The new armor interferes with the profane DC bonus from the old shadow dragon armor, and the improved invisibility clicky is extremely good in challenging content. So I would lose a DC changing sets. The healing amp on the armour is nice but my offhand LGS affirmation stick is still better.

There is quality 5 charisma on a belt but no insightful charisma 10. I don't need to squeeze out another DC from my twists really.

It looks like the power creep will come from the minor artifacts system mostly.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 1:03pm:


Who is not running precision at end game?   PA is for leveling...

Digimonk wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 2:14pm:


It's not that hard to get to 100% AP/Fort Bypass.

35% Armor Piercing item
17% Insight AP - Raid Necklace
25% Precision
10% Beasts mantle set 3 piece set (don't forget about he minor artifacts)
5%  Trapsmith's Workshop guild buff

92%

And then you are either a fighter with Improved Sunder, A ranger with Advanced Sneak Attack, or a Monk with the Dark Dark Dark ToD, or a Rogue with Opportunist or with Assassins trick. 

Keep in mind ToD, Mark of the Hunted, and Assassin's Tick help the party.  So even one ranger, rogue, or Monk in the party and you are good to go.

If you don't like that, twist Grim Precision (SD - 15% Tier 3) or Clarity (GMoF - 10%, Tier 4) in.   

If you don't like the filigrees, use the twist.   

Hell, you can even get there without Precision.   

Especially against Constructs.  (Which Sharn is probably heavy on)  Slot a Deconstructor for an additional 10% from Destruction.

The Fort Bypass on Silent Avenger is no big deal anymore.   Stop knee jerk reacting and do the builds people. 

Asheras wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 4:12pm:


What would be the 35% AP item? Only one with that bonus is a Thunderforged weapon. Beacon of Night for 31. (weapons)

New set has a conflict on necklace slot because  regular item has  AP (33) and raid item has the Insightful AP (17).

Then the other AP items are raid gloves, from RL (32) and Sharn (34), so you can't use new set gloves if you want to fit those 17  from raid neck to have both, so no set bonus.

So what else? Vulkoor mask from RL for 31, maybe Knife Toed boot for 28

yardarm_ wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 4:29pm:


I gave you 3-4 ways to get there.  Beast Mantle was only one of them.  But I get that you have to try to find something to defend your initial knee jerk reaction.  Can't admit you were wrong on the internet.

You can get +5 MP and +1 Stat and + 10 Nat Armor in addition to the +10 AP.   It's not a bad use of 3 of your 11 filigree slots.   I'm not sure what 4 or 5 piece set you are passing on that does more.  Keep in mind that you are getting 25 MP with the new set that you don't get with Silent Avenger and extra helpless damage as well.   And the overall stats on the items are better.  The stuff you are missing (parrying, etc) is easily replaceable with other items in open slots.

The overall build, once you maximize the slotting, has the same AP, Double strike with more MP, more deadly, better stats, more accuracy.   With better defenses.   If you can't see it then, just try to slot in a minor artifact on your lame 18 month old RL gear set (hint it isn't going to be that easy) and enjoy being worse than people running with mostly sharn gear.