DnD wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 4:47pm:


You are right.  I mistakenly typed 35 instead of 31.   I was thinking of the Vulkoor Mask.   It is 4 lower.  88%.  So you need to come up with 12% with a bunch of options to make up the gap.   Rangers and Rogues, especially, are getting that super easily.  A fighter just twists Grim and calls it a day.

Asheras wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 4:12pm:

It actually seems pretty hard given all the hoops and contortions you're going through trying to prove it.

35% is only on Thunderforged weapons.  So that means you think every melee DPS should be rolling w/ a Thunderforged weapon for every fight with undead, constructs, and bosses? 

If we apply a common sense filter to this, the best realistic option for most DPS melee builds would be the Molten Silver Gloves with 32%.  Second best option would be the House J Dex hat with 31%.  Options gets shitty fast beyond those.

The main issue is that the Part of the Family set bonus requires the armor slot + necklace slot + gloves.  That means you give up the Molten Silver Gloves.   So if you're rolling a dex melee, the House J dex hat would be ok and give you 31%.  You're screwed if you're rolling a str build though.

The rest of your suggestions completely neglect to factor in the opportunity cost of those options versus what has to be given up to use them.

Seems like a fairly high opportunity cost to burn 3 filigree slots for 10 Fort Bypass and 10 Nat AC given what you could get from other 3-piece sets.

There are similar somewhat questionable opportunity costs in your class enhancement and twists suggestions.

Last but not least, giving up the armor, neck and glove slots makes it much more difficult to retain the Adherents of the Mist set bonus.  So there's that to take into account, too.


Not saying you're wrong, just saying that it seems like you just hurriedly pulled numbers out of your ass without considering the comprehensive picture. 

I suspect that when all factors are considered, the difference isn't going to be that large between the Sharn equipment and the RL gear.  The biggest advantage will likely be that we gain some flexibility and options on how we gear that can be better tailored to our individual builds and playstyles.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 1:14pm:


I kind of find it funny that there wasn't a PM based minor artifact in this first batch. I'm guessing they're waiting for the update after Sharn's release with the new Sharn pack and possibly the PM/Sorc tweaks.

Digimonk wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 8:48pm:


Really?   There are several options for Str in the new gear.  Maybe you didn't look through it closely enough.

New set is much more exciting for builds that prefer heavy or medium armor.

yardarm_ wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 9:32am:


Which helps with which scenario?  The one where you are beating on the back of a raid boss or the the one where you are DoD'ing and sneak attacking a bunch of helpless/CC'd trash mobs?

Or are we talking about when you solo/shortman R4 and lower without CC and have aggro of mobs you can't self CC or kill super fast?   Cause that's not what I'm most concerned about in my build.  Spending a build slot on a 1 in 20 chance to CC a mob once every 12 seconds when running trivial, non-challenging content.   

The necklace was more useful for the Wisdom with HH and saves and the membership in the Adherent Set.   Wind Thru the Trees is neat, but I'm not that affected by its loss. 

yardarm_ wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 12:02pm:


Yea but you don’t build or play high reaper based on a very low chance occurance.  That said, unless they change the gear up somewhat, avenger set is still the way to go

Digimonk wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 2:34pm:


No maybe about it.   

You see the gear on day one and don't take the time to analyze the options.  Just spout off.   Take more time, padawan.   Or just wait for someone like Rubbinns.  Someone who knows what they are doing.   You don't.

It's a trap!

Revaulting wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 5:35pm:

Have faith.  This is early beta.  There's still plenty of time for them to fuck it up.

Jokes aside though, yes, if they don't manage to screw it up and nerf things into oblivion, it looks like they might have not gone crazy on the powercreep and instead just offered up some interesting alternatives for gearsets and various builds.

Fuck it, other than my weapon and 30% striders, I run naked all the time, all this math is for losers

TornadoJoe wrote on Apr 5^th, 2019 at 4:38pm:



Rock out with your cock out, thats what I always say.