5 Foot Step wrote on Jul 31^st, 2019 at 10:28am:


Given the fact it's light and outfit, with artifact sneak die.

I'm guessing more of a rogue-arti hybrid. Possibly something like arcane trickster but worse?

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 1^st, 2019 at 10:21am:


The doublestrike is the only part that makes me think you're wrong there. Unless it'll have another half-assed melee tree like Enlightened Spirit.

Synchrono wrote on Aug 4^th, 2019 at 1:46am:


I've heard it's due to the new Eberron book including Alchemist as a part of Artificer.

Guess they are trying to market it as a separate class to just milk money out of folks?


Based on the announcement;

• Bombardier - Some mishmash between artificer admixtures and flasks from Mechanic with a splash of the flashstones and other completely forgotten craftable bombs from the trapmaking station.
• Poisoner - "You poison your weapons." Combine this with a previous dev statement about having a method for Poison Spellpower soon and I'm guessing this will act similar to AA/EK. You probably have a stance that adds a poison effect. Toss in the Assassin's poison attack abilities and boom.
• 3rd Line Healer/Buffer - Based on the description I'm going with Renegade Mastermaker 2.0 minus the melee attack portion.

Summary from a GenCon interview with Lynn+Sev:

Over 90 new spells unique to Alchemists that will will use the standard fire/water/air/earth elements like other casters. These fall into three categories that work on some kind of a combo/mixture/reaction system, that had to be color-coded for the player council because of the complexity. The trees are also color-coded and work off of two 'colors' of spells (red spells and yellow spells go well with orange enhancement tree, for example). This looks to be a very different and complex system of spellcasting that's unique to the class, making each enhancement tree radically different from each other.

ETA: They've also changed potion throwing: Alchemists can throw them in a straight line, break them on the ground, or roll them on the ground.

Apparently, there is also a new potion passing mechanic. Alchemist can make very short lived but powerful buffs they can pass to other players.

Sounds they're ripping 60%+ of its play abilities from Asheron's Call 2

Wonder how many animations they are pulling out of those old DATs and shoving into DDO. Last time I did a comparison (like many years ago) lots of shit was in there - hell half of the textures and sound effects from the Vale SRE area are right out of Osteth

Carpone wrote on Aug 5^th, 2019 at 6:04pm:


Wonder how viable splashing some bard for Swashy skills for thrown weps would be.

Edrein wrote on Aug 5^th, 2019 at 9:19pm:

I will be fine with it if it breaks the monopoly on throwers and allows a VKF throwing dagger build to be good. Not holding my breath, just wishful thinking. Maybe it will be be a splash on shuri throwers, at least.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 5^th, 2019 at 9:25pm:


Don't crucify me for asking this: But you can't make a decent one right now with swash-vistani?

Edrein wrote on Aug 6^th, 2019 at 7:50am:

No.

Right now, it's Inquisitive/Shuri > Gxbow mech > > > > throwers. 

And this isn't really because Inquisitives or Shuris are overpowered these days.  There are multiple top-tier melee options that outclass Inquisitives and shuris in both DPS and defenses.  It's because SSG has yet to figure out how to fix non-shuri throwers via itemization or trees. 

Throwing weapons are in dire need of some trees that actually add enough power and rate-of-fire increases to them to make them viable.  There are so many opportunities and ways SSG could do it, but those blind squirrels haven't managed to find any of the nuts yet even though the floor is littered with them.

So really we need a throwing weapon feat that effectively is the non-shuriken equivalent of Shuriken Expertise that covers the other throwers for the double-throw chance to help even the playing field first.

Then there needs to be actual bonuses/changes to trees that "support" throwing weapons to make it truly competitive?

Close to 100 new spells for alchemist and 42 to prepare.





Screenshots from main discord 2019/08/08

If anyone is interested in some semi-speculative-datamined information:

Fine Dust - Grease
Organic Mesh - Web
Flesh to Gold - Flesh to Stone
Veil (Not sure if Veil or Vial) of Despair - Despair
Dust of Confusion - Mass Confusion
Glue Solution - Mimic slobber slow effect (I really like that one)
Feather's Extract - Feather Fall
Sleep Powder - Sleep
Liquid Courage - Heroism self cast
Greater Liquid Courage - Greater Heroism self cast
Rapid Condensation - Solid Fog
Heartbleed Poison Imbue - Deadly Weapons
Restorative Vial - Restoration self cast
Greater Restorative Vial - Greater Restoration self cast

Transumte Metal - ? Probably weapon material bypass multiselector
Curative Admixture: Heal - Throw heal spell at target
Smoke Bomb - Invisibility + triggers Choking Smog
Choking Smog - AoE blind + silence while remaining inside
Greater Venom Vial - AoE splash damage (1d6)
Greater Personal Venom Reaction - 3d6 poison on hit
Multivial of (Flame, Acid, Frost, Sparks) - Throw 5 Vials of that Element
Vial of (Fire, Acid, Frost, Sparks) - Throw a Element bottle 1d6
Heartstopper Poision - AoE damage
Molotov Cocktail - Firewall but circular
Caustic Solvent - Long stacking acid DoT
Imbue Greater (Caustic, Exothermic, Voltaic, ?) Reaction - 2d6 fire/acid/lightning/cold on hit
Elemental Reaction - Hellball
Alchemical Waste - Hellball with less damage + debuff
Corrosive Dust - Instakill Construct

? Corrode Weapons - ST acid hit with accuracy & MP / RP debuff
? Caustic Overload - PBAoE AC + PRR debuff, acid damage stacking up to 10 times
? Fountain of Youth - Buffs and HoT
? Flash Freeze - PBAoE stun
? Melt Armor - ST fire hit AC and PRR reduction.
? Evolution and Greater Evolution - ?
? Vein Freeze - AoE cold damage, chance to freeze and slow effect
? Voltaic Burst - Cone of lightning damage + silence

The debuffs are cool as long as they stack with other existing debuffs. The construct instakill will be useful.

Wallpaper effects:
Sleep - has never been relevant in the game
Mass Confusion - Bugs with Warlock version that still aren't fixed; it's detrimental to use
Hellball - Was last relevant 4? years ago, only because of bugs where it applied twice.