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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Wolf nerfs Aug 6^th, 2019 at 2:50pm	Print Post
	The following Druid changes didn't make the Lamannia build in time, but are currently planned for this Patch. This change is meant to adjust certain overperforming multiclass Wolf splits while keeping overall impact on pure Druid/invested Nature's Warrior Wolf builds low). � � Druid: The Combat Speed Bonus to Attack Speed in Wolf Form is now 10%. � � Druid: The Combat Speed Bonus to Attack Speed in Winter Wolf Form is now 20%. � � Druid Nature's Warrior: Swift Hunter (in Nature's Warrior) now also increases Wolf Form's Combat Speed Bonus to Attack Speed to 15%, and Winter Wolf Form's Combat Speed Bonus to Attack Speed to 30%.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #1 - Aug 6^th, 2019 at 2:55pm	Print Post
	That'll take the wind out of your wolfskin sails.

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Edrein Abbot Raider Offline Master of Melee Undead (Gimps) Posts: 994 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #2 - Aug 6^th, 2019 at 3:13pm	Print Post
	It's a nerf to splashes using non druid T5s. Not an overall wolf nerf. If anything this out to show the devs how crappy pure druid wolves and by proxy bears are when the things propping them up are removed.


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #3 - Aug 6^th, 2019 at 4:06pm	Print Post
	Edrein wrote on Aug 6^th, 2019 at 3:13pm: It's a nerf to splashes using non druid T5s. Not an overall wolf nerf. If you weren't playing an 11/8/1, 8/6/6 or perhaps 12/8, then you already had suboptimal wolf DPS.� Even with 20% attack speed, wolf builds will have assassin-like DPS but be much tankier than an assassin.�


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Edrein Abbot Raider Offline Master of Melee Undead (Gimps) Posts: 994 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #4 - Aug 6^th, 2019 at 7:14pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Aug 6^th, 2019 at 4:06pm: If you weren't playing an 11/8/1, 8/6/6 or perhaps 12/8, then you already had suboptimal wolf DPS.� Even with 20% attack speed, wolf builds will have assassin-like DPS but be much tankier than an assassin.� Is it really suboptimal "wolf" dps? I mean the DPS itself came from another tree; all wolf provided you was the attack speed. I mean the change isn't doing wolves a favor by locking them into their own shitty T5 just for the attack speed. But I should think that once the devs see that animal druids are dead again; they'll take a moment to address and buff "pure" druids to make them competitive to why we had to run barbarian silvanas splits in the first place.


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Vaultaccount Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 624 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #5 - Aug 6^th, 2019 at 7:21pm	Print Post
	what are the current bonuses? In any case they are really overperforming, any nerf is welcomed and is done as should: focusing on the splash but mantaining the deep investiment benefit


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #6 - Aug 6^th, 2019 at 7:34pm	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 6^th, 2019 at 7:21pm: In any case they are really overperforming, any nerf is welcomed and is done as should: focusing on the splash but mantaining the deep investiment benefit Compared to tempest and assassin they were BARELY OP, not enough to require a nerf.


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Edrein Abbot Raider Offline Master of Melee Undead (Gimps) Posts: 994 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #7 - Aug 6^th, 2019 at 7:36pm	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 6^th, 2019 at 7:21pm: what are the current bonuses? In any case they are really overperforming, any nerf is welcomed and is done as should: focusing on the splash but mantaining the deep investiment benefit The problem is deep investment/pure wolf doesn't remotely make up for the deficit of the splash. While you could continue the splash builds and live with 20% attack speed bonus and still do pretty well off. A pure/heavy druid build isn't going to be as well off even with 30% attack speed due to the nature of how comparatively bad Nature's Warrior is, particularly the T5s.


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #8 - Aug 6^th, 2019 at 9:14pm	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 6^th, 2019 at 7:21pm: what are the current bonuses? https://ddowiki.com/page/Druid They're cutting wolf attack speeds by a third.
	« Last Edit: Aug 6^th, 2019 at 9:15pm by Technomage »
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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #9 - Aug 6^th, 2019 at 9:22pm	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 6^th, 2019 at 7:21pm: what are the current bonuses? In any case they are really overperforming, any nerf is welcomed and is done as should: focusing on the splash but mantaining the deep investiment benefit The current bonuses are 15 and 30. You get the current bonus when you invest in the garbage T5 enhancements that lock out other T5 enhancements that are actually good. I'm playing a 17/2(Barb)/1(FvS) Wolf right now and it's a ton of fun, but 8/6/6 would be better by a good margin in any kind of party. I just went 17 because I wanted Snowslide and Heal.


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HelloKitty Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 57 Joined: Feb 27^th, 2019	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #10 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 1:56am	Print Post
	Edrein wrote on Aug 6^th, 2019 at 7:14pm: But I should think that once the devs see that animal druids are dead again; they'll take a moment to address and buff "pure" druids to make them competitive to why we had to run barbarian silvanas splits in the first place. DPS druids just got triforce smashed! (Trinity gaming smashed!) Heh. I know, it's not funny. Shuddup and Hjeal me!
	« Last Edit: Aug 7^th, 2019 at 2:02am by HelloKitty »

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bosuze Waterworks Kobold Offline wat kyk jy Posts: 175 Joined: Jul 7^th, 2014	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #11 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 5:07am	Print Post
	ofc they do. every fucking time they manage to fuck up my plans... feels like they don't like to be employed anymore...

	so far, s� bra
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Rzyman Waterworks Kobold Offline lovers gonna love Posts: 191 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2018	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #12 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 5:44am	Print Post
	I like the way the nerf things instead of fix it lol

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kum-gulp VoD Slasher Offline I Love Tired Vault Memes! Posts: 1810 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2010	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #13 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 5:49am	Print Post
	Oh good, another speed nerf. Well done, devs, on making yet another class more dependent on being built as a shit-boring vanilla 20.


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Edrein Abbot Raider Offline Master of Melee Undead (Gimps) Posts: 994 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #14 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 7:34am	Print Post
	kum-gulp wrote on Aug 7^th, 2019 at 5:49am: Oh good, another speed nerf. Well done, devs, on making yet another class more dependent on being built as a shit-boring vanilla 20. Vanilla is boring because the devs refuse to make vanilla flavorful. There's plenty you could do for pure builds to make them interesting if you actually took the time to make core 18 and capstone do some unique shit. And make T5's also scale/change based on class levels. But that shits hard yo.


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somenewnoob Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 751 Joined: Mar 10^th, 2016	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #15 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 7:53am	Print Post
	Druid was just on deep discount........I thought we all knew a nerf was incoming after that? They call it "Getting warlocked" in the biz. This isn't our first rodeo, pay attention.
	« Last Edit: Aug 7^th, 2019 at 7:58am by somenewnoob »
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HelloKitty Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 57 Joined: Feb 27^th, 2019	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #16 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 10:36am	Print Post
	Vanilla is the most popular flavor in the world. https://www.saveur.com/how-vanilla-took-over-the-world/


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HelloKitty Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 57 Joined: Feb 27^th, 2019	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #17 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 10:39am	Print Post
	If you stopped making multiclassed builds that made the majority vanilla players look and feel bad, you would stop getting nerfed.


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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9306 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #18 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 11:09am	Print Post
	HelloKitty wrote on Aug 7^th, 2019 at 10:39am: If you stopped making multiclassed builds that made the majority vanilla players look and feel bad, you would stop getting nerfed. Fuck that and fuck your trophy for being you.

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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #19 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 11:25am	Print Post
	HelloKitty wrote on Aug 7^th, 2019 at 10:39am: If you stopped making multiclassed builds that made the majority vanilla players look and feel bad, you would stop getting nerfed. Don't even have to stop making good builds.� Just have to stop posting about them on the public forums.� Ditto for all the kobold racer, speedrun and in-game DPS bragging screenshots and videos. The devs have repeatedly proven they know less than jack shit about how to properly build and run top tier toons on their own.� If people stopped posting and bragging about the meta builds, the devs would just stumble along in a pool of their own ignorance nerfing Paladins, Warlocks and Monks because those are top top 5 DPS builds. Posting the uber builds and related ego-stroking media to show the world how cool you are just spoon feeds the devs their next nerf targets and shows them all the things they didn't understand about their own product. Not sure why that's so hard to figure out for some people.
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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #20 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 11:33am	Print Post
	Brag enough and the devs will login to your account to look at your build.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #21 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 1:34pm	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on Aug 7^th, 2019 at 11:25am: Don't even have to stop making good builds.� Just have to stop posting about them on the public forums.� Ditto for all the kobold racer, speedrun and in-game DPS bragging screenshots and videos. The devs have repeatedly proven they know less than jack shit about how to properly build and run top tier toons on their own.� If people stopped posting and bragging about the meta builds, the devs would just stumble along in a pool of their own ignorance nerfing Paladins, Warlocks and Monks because those are top top 5 DPS builds. Posting the uber builds and related ego-stroking media to show the world how cool you are just spoon feeds the devs their next nerf targets and shows them all the things they didn't understand about their own product. Not sure why that's so hard to figure out for some people. Someone has to train them.

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Tspoon Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 396 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2013	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #22 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 2:01pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Aug 7^th, 2019 at 11:33am: Brag enough and the devs will login to your account to look at your build. Fuck, Steelstar wouldn't know a good build even if he leveled one to 20. How is it that quarterstaves were a top 10 DPS build, and yet here comes a massive DPS boost for them? I think that is fine, but why boost an already to tier playing style, unless you were wrong. It's the fucking blind leading the deaf in the dark. Lynabell is the only dev who plays this game in any serious way and while I think she's probably the best thing that has happened to the game since the vale, she isn't a saviour...


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HelloKitty Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 57 Joined: Feb 27^th, 2019	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #23 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 4:10pm	Print Post
	Seems like a lot of work balancing the exploit splashes that only ends up screwing the pure classes. All the class enhancement "trees" have shit in them for the first four tiers and cores. They should just disable multi-classing which would allow them to have real trees with real class development.
	« Last Edit: Aug 7^th, 2019 at 4:18pm by HelloKitty »

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somenewnoob Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 751 Joined: Mar 10^th, 2016	Re: Wolf nerfs Reply #24 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 4:13pm	Print Post
	"We realize a 2 rogue splash for evasion is overperforming..........."

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