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Wolf nerfs
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The following Druid changes didn't make the Lamannia build in time, but are currently planned for this Patch. This change is meant to adjust certain overperforming multiclass Wolf splits while keeping overall impact on pure Druid/invested Nature's Warrior Wolf builds low).
Druid: The Combat Speed Bonus to Attack Speed in Wolf Form is now 10%.
Druid: The Combat Speed Bonus to Attack Speed in Winter Wolf Form is now 20%.
Druid Nature's Warrior: Swift Hunter (in Nature's Warrior) now also increases Wolf Form's Combat Speed Bonus to Attack Speed to 15%, and Winter Wolf Form's Combat Speed Bonus to Attack Speed to 30%.
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That'll take the wind out of your wolfskin sails.
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It's a nerf to splashes using non druid T5s. Not an overall wolf nerf.
If anything this out to show the devs how crappy pure druid wolves and by proxy bears are when the things propping them up are removed.
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Edrein wrote
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It's a nerf to splashes using non druid T5s. Not an overall wolf nerf.
If you weren't playing an 11/8/1, 8/6/6 or perhaps 12/8, then you already had suboptimal wolf DPS. Even with 20% attack speed, wolf builds will have assassin-like DPS but be much tankier than an assassin.
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Carpone wrote
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If you weren't playing an 11/8/1, 8/6/6 or perhaps 12/8, then you already had suboptimal wolf DPS. Even with 20% attack speed, wolf builds will have assassin-like DPS but be much tankier than an assassin.
Is it really suboptimal "wolf" dps? I mean the DPS itself came from another tree; all wolf provided you was the attack speed.
I mean the change isn't doing wolves a favor by locking them into their own shitty T5 just for the attack speed. But I should think that once the devs see that animal druids are dead again; they'll take a moment to address and buff "pure" druids to make them competitive to why we had to run barbarian silvanas splits in the first place.
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what are the current bonuses?
In any case they are really overperforming, any nerf is welcomed and is done as should: focusing on the splash but mantaining the deep investiment benefit
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Vaultaccount wrote
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In any case they are really overperforming, any nerf is welcomed and is done as should: focusing on the splash but mantaining the deep investiment benefit
Compared to tempest and assassin they were BARELY OP, not enough to require a nerf.
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Vaultaccount wrote
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what are the current bonuses?
In any case they are really overperforming, any nerf is welcomed and is done as should: focusing on the splash but mantaining the deep investiment benefit
The problem is deep investment/pure wolf doesn't remotely make up for the deficit of the splash.
While you could continue the splash builds and live with 20% attack speed bonus and still do pretty well off. A pure/heavy druid build isn't going to be as well off even with 30% attack speed due to the nature of how comparatively bad Nature's Warrior is, particularly the T5s.
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Vaultaccount wrote
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what are the current bonuses?
https://ddowiki.com/page/Druid
They're cutting wolf attack speeds by a third.
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Vaultaccount wrote
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what are the current bonuses?
In any case they are really overperforming, any nerf is welcomed and is done as should: focusing on the splash but mantaining the deep investiment benefit
The current bonuses are 15 and 30. You get the current bonus when you invest in the garbage T5 enhancements that lock out other T5 enhancements that are actually good.
I'm playing a 17/2(Barb)/1(FvS) Wolf right now and it's a ton of fun, but 8/6/6 would be better by a good margin in any kind of party. I just went 17 because I wanted Snowslide and Heal.
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Edrein wrote
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But I should think that once the devs see that animal druids are dead again; they'll take a moment to address and buff "pure" druids to make them competitive to why we had to run barbarian silvanas splits in the first place.
DPS druids just got triforce smashed! (Trinity gaming smashed!) Heh.
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ofc they do.
every fucking time they manage to fuck up my plans...
feels like they don't like to be employed anymore...
so far, så bra
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I like the way the nerf things instead of fix it lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrwwJjt71yw
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Oh good, another speed nerf. Well done, devs, on making yet another class more dependent on being built as a shit-boring vanilla 20.
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kum-gulp wrote
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Oh good, another speed nerf. Well done, devs, on making yet another class more dependent on being built as a shit-boring vanilla 20.
Vanilla is boring because the devs refuse to make vanilla flavorful.
There's plenty you could do for pure builds to make them interesting if you actually took the time to make core 18 and capstone do some unique shit. And make T5's also scale/change based on class levels.
But that shits hard yo.
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Druid was just on deep discount........I thought we all knew a nerf was incoming after that?
They call it "Getting warlocked" in the biz.
This isn't our first rodeo, pay attention.
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Vanilla is the most popular flavor in the world.
https://www.saveur.com/how-vanilla-took-over-the-world/
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If you stopped making multiclassed builds that made the majority vanilla players look and feel bad, you would stop getting nerfed.
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HelloKitty wrote
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If you stopped making multiclassed builds that made the majority vanilla players look and feel bad, you would stop getting nerfed.
Fuck that and fuck your trophy for being you.
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HelloKitty wrote
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If you stopped making multiclassed builds that made the majority vanilla players look and feel bad, you would stop getting nerfed.
Don't even have to stop making good builds. Just have to stop posting about them on the public forums. Ditto for all the kobold racer, speedrun and in-game DPS bragging screenshots and videos.
The devs have repeatedly proven they know less than jack shit about how to properly build and run top tier toons on their own. If people stopped posting and bragging about the meta builds, the devs would just stumble along in a pool of their own ignorance nerfing Paladins, Warlocks and Monks because those are top top 5 DPS builds.
Posting the uber builds and related ego-stroking media to show the world how cool you are just spoon feeds the devs their next nerf targets and shows them all the things they didn't understand about their own product.
Not sure why that's so hard to figure out for some people.
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Brag enough and the devs will login to your account to look at your build.
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Digimonk wrote
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Don't even have to stop making good builds. Just have to stop posting about them on the public forums. Ditto for all the kobold racer, speedrun and in-game DPS bragging screenshots and videos.
The devs have repeatedly proven they know less than jack shit about how to properly build and run top tier toons on their own. If people stopped posting and bragging about the meta builds, the devs would just stumble along in a pool of their own ignorance nerfing Paladins, Warlocks and Monks because those are top top 5 DPS builds.
Posting the uber builds and related ego-stroking media to show the world how cool you are just spoon feeds the devs their next nerf targets and shows them all the things they didn't understand about their own product.
Not sure why that's so hard to figure out for some people.
Someone has to train them.
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Carpone wrote
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Brag enough and the devs will login to your account to look at your build.
Fuck, Steelstar wouldn't know a good build even if he leveled one to 20. How is it that quarterstaves were a top 10 DPS build, and yet here comes a massive DPS boost for them? I think that is fine, but why boost an already to tier playing style, unless you were wrong. It's the fucking blind leading the deaf in the dark. Lynabell is the only dev who plays this game in any serious way and while I think she's probably the best thing that has happened to the game since the vale, she isn't a saviour...
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Seems like a lot of work balancing the exploit splashes that only ends up screwing the pure classes. All the class enhancement "trees" have shit in them for the first four tiers and cores.
They should just disable multi-classing which would allow them to have real trees with real class development.
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"We realize a 2 rogue splash for evasion is overperforming..........."
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