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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #50 - Oct 13^th, 2019 at 5:47pm	Print Post
	Strim quit his job to stream . . . DDO? please tell me you're joking.


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Cripey Shroud Slacker Offline Fuck you, thats my name. Posts: 1007 Joined: Jul 21^st, 2010 Gender:	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #51 - Oct 13^th, 2019 at 5:52pm	Print Post
	you should hear him beg for subs on his stream.

	Grands Superhero IRL Or as they say in Ireland - Derp derp derp derp. Yellow moons. Lassie. Hordo wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 8:07am: EDIT: BTW I love your post.� It reads as if English is your 3rd language behind gibberish and dipshit. majmalphunktion wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 6:11pm: what the fuck guys... Jeesus fucking shit. This shit gets me called to the principals office. Assholes.
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Teth Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 250 Joined: Jan 31^st, 2014	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #52 - Oct 13^th, 2019 at 7:25pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Oct 13^th, 2019 at 5:47pm: Strim quit his job to stream . . . DDO?� �please tell me you're joking. LOL with a side of LOL, I�ll have to watch him one day, maybe I�ll learn something.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #53 - Oct 13^th, 2019 at 9:13pm	Print Post
	Teth wrote on Oct 13^th, 2019 at 7:25pm: LOL with a side of LOL, I�ll have to watch him one day, maybe I�ll learn something. you guys may laugh now, but when gets his monthly check of 10 subscribers for 25 bucks, while living in Venezuela....

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #54 - Oct 14^th, 2019 at 11:50am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Oct 13^th, 2019 at 9:13pm: you guys may laugh now, but when gets his monthly check of 10 subscribers for 25 bucks, while living in Venezuela.... He'll be a RICH man!

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GimpyPaw Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 351 Joined: Jun 24^th, 2012	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #55 - Oct 15^th, 2019 at 2:59am	Print Post
	OK, I�ll be the noob and ask. How do you get numbers that high with a sorc?� In heroics my sorcs are clearing rooms as fast as they can chug duped mana pots, but in epics when I drop a chained lightning it�s like I dropped the prison supplied soap and my toon gets gang raped.� I know, I�m not smart, not creative, and most likely missing something obvious. What�s new?


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Shinyshoes Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 754 Joined: Mar 8^th, 2019	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #56 - Oct 15^th, 2019 at 3:17am	Print Post
	Good for you admitting you are getting backdoored by the minds that brought you Path of Inspiration for free.


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Artorias Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1213 Joined: Mar 21^st, 2015	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #57 - Oct 15^th, 2019 at 3:58am	Print Post
	GimpyPaw wrote on Oct 15^th, 2019 at 2:59am: OK, I�ll be the noob and ask. How do you get numbers that high with a sorc?� In heroics my sorcs are clearing rooms as fast as they can chug duped mana pots, but in epics when I drop a chained lightning it�s like I dropped the prison supplied soap and my toon gets gang raped.� I know, I�m not smart, not creative, and most likely missing something obvious. What�s new? It obviously depends on your DC. If you don't have it you are beyond useless. Also spellpower, as a nuker you want to hit HARD There are many tricks� such as mass hold + energy burst for groups if you have a party (or even solo in some circumstances) drop a solid fog as it gives a -5 reflex, for players it's peanuts but for monsters it's a nice debuff that will help you land most evocation spells Not saying anything about necro as it kills opponents outright without resorting to "big numbers" Another nice trick you can use (one of my favorites) is elemental weakness + vulnerability on raid bosses. Careful cause you will pull a LOT of aggro as you'll deal monstrous damage so using it sparingly if unless someone can keep the baddie away from you If you don't want to be gang raped by monsters analyze the situations first, you're supposed to have played that quest gazillions of times so you already know where monsters are. First you drop a disco ball/web/mass hold, whatever cc will stop enemies in their track and only then you attack (unless you're so powah you can annihilate everything instantly) I'm confident someone else will give you even better tips.
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #58 - Oct 15^th, 2019 at 8:54am	Print Post
	GimpyPaw wrote on Oct 15^th, 2019 at 2:59am: OK, I�ll be the noob and ask. How do you get numbers that high with a sorc?� In heroics my sorcs are clearing rooms as fast as they can chug duped mana pots, but in epics when I drop a chained lightning it�s like I dropped the prison supplied soap and my toon gets gang raped.� I know, I�m not smart, not creative, and most likely missing something obvious. What�s new? Helpless twist for the trash, ash + vacuum + sorc vulnerability + LGS crit multiplier gear + Crit chance gear ( Sharn sets and Spiral buff ). The rest is DC and spell power.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Artorias Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1213 Joined: Mar 21^st, 2015	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #59 - Oct 15^th, 2019 at 9:26am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Oct 15^th, 2019 at 8:54am: Helpless twist for the trash, ash + vacuum + sorc vulnerability + LGS crit multiplier gear + Crit chance gear ( Sharn sets and Spiral buff ). The rest is DC and spell power. The more you know....thanks Rubbinns chan
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Magneto Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 84 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2014	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #60 - Oct 15^th, 2019 at 10:12am	Print Post
	12 Lifes was enough as Inquis. Back to my beloved Barbie 😀 I die a bit more, but my Fun is still there. Cheers. Ytzi Khyber


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GimpyPaw Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 351 Joined: Jun 24^th, 2012	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #61 - Oct 18^th, 2019 at 1:16am	Print Post
	Rubbinns, thank you. A little disappointed though. I was hopefull the answer would be more along the lines of up-right-jump-right-down-left = God mode Don�t get me wrong, great info and now I have a list to work for. It just looks like it will involve, you know, work.


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crsm3423 Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 31 Joined: Aug 23^rd, 2019	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #62 - Oct 18^th, 2019 at 12:32pm	Print Post
	GimpyPaw wrote on Oct 15^th, 2019 at 2:59am: OK, I�ll be the noob and ask. How do you get numbers that high with a sorc?� In heroics my sorcs are clearing rooms as fast as they can chug duped mana pots, but in epics when I drop a chained lightning it�s like I dropped the prison supplied soap and my toon gets gang raped.� I know, I�m not smart, not creative, and most likely missing something obvious. What�s new? I think the best advice for epics is...stop using chain lightning. Switch over to fire sorc after hitting level 9 spells and go Meteor Swarm and Delayed Blast Fireball as your 1-2 punch. They will both hit much harder than ball lightning / chain lightning combo. As for getting screenshot hits, you're stacking debuffs and using a ED skill that has a 30 second cooldown. As an alternative, you can throw out MS, DBF, MS, DBF while jump casting and you'll do just as much damage in about the same amount of time, not have the cooldown wait, not have to be in close range (EB is PBAOE) but you won't get a "+dick size" screenshot. Chasing screenshot / video numbers is just an exercise in frustration. There's no one button you can push to hit for 180k.


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Rzyman Waterworks Kobold Offline lovers gonna love Posts: 191 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2018	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #63 - Oct 18^th, 2019 at 8:56pm	Print Post
	So on live avg sorc damage with breath and burst is around 60k before debuffs. Nongimped helpless damage will be around 100, and no, you wont debuff trash. I wouldnt talk about trash at all, cause, you know, its instakilable. Now, with the sorc stuff on you do around 75k on bosses with slas, 25-30 with with meteor (analogs slightly harder) and 12-15 with fireball like. On some builds can trade crit chance but win damage by ~15%. Keep in mind there is global coolsown so your avg spell damage is your dps. And what do we have? Sorcs still are somewhere arouns 30k max with all the debuffs plus dependent on SP. For me it feels like sorcs on the place where they need to be right now. Especially when building CC on sorc became harder cause of mob saves against spells and most evo cc not working against machines and undead. Sorc became stupidly powerful on elite and lower skulls yet still reqire a good build with good DCs, spellpower, crits and other stuff. I wouldnt call either sorc or inqusitive OP, melee dps still beat those numbers. Just many other builds, classes and trees are gimp.

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #64 - Oct 22^nd, 2019 at 1:27am	Print Post
	Rzyman wrote on Oct 18^th, 2019 at 8:56pm: I wouldnt call either sorc or inqusitive OP, melee dps still beat those numbers Not even close during NHB activations. 92k in r10 Bruntsmash. 50 or 60k in SD in same setting. Melee in SD isn't getting that burst. Nor in LD. Symb recorded a low 40s on wolf for r10 Brunts. Sustained dps is still adequate enough to supplement the bursts, and enable it to keep up a high pace. There are some videos of r10 completions using bard bot for buff and HoT. Handful of quests on that channel of r10 done that way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XldG0l2mtvY
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #65 - Oct 22^nd, 2019 at 8:48am	Print Post
	Even if melee DPS was equivalent to sorc/inquis, the meta still goes to ranged for raids. THTH: Forgewraiths utilize the kobold jump script.� If you've ever played melee, you know how extremely annoying it is to DPS a forgewraith.� And what the hell is up with the Titan's tiny hitbox?� I have to position myself like I'm about to drop off into the lava in order to melee.� I have high confidence that most melee players don't even know they swinging at air instead of damaging the Titan.� It's poor design, like the frustratingly tiny buttons on the PN control box. PN: Two bosses can't be DPS'd by melee.� It's trivial for ranged to blast constructors across the room.� Battery rooms have two circles pop every three seconds, which severely constricts melee DPS.� Ranged can DPS full blast while strafing out of the circle.� And let's not forget the air battery room debacle as a melee... My raid geared melee is sidelined doing past lives while my Inquisitive hoovers up runes and threads.� The meta pendulum swung too far away from melee.
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acidpickachu Waterworks Kobold Offline drugs not hugs Posts: 152 Joined: Feb 17^th, 2018	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #66 - Oct 22^nd, 2019 at 2:00pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2019 at 8:48am: Even if melee DPS was equivalent to sorc/inquis, the meta still goes to ranged for raids. THTH: Forgewraiths utilize the kobold jump script.� If you've ever played melee, you know how extremely annoying it is to DPS a forgewraith.� And what the hell is up with the Titan's tiny hitbox?� I have to position myself like I'm about to drop off into the lava in order to melee.� I have high confidence that most melee players don't even know they swinging at air instead of damaging the Titan.� It's poor design, like the frustratingly tiny buttons on the PN control box. PN: Two bosses can't be DPS'd by melee.� It's trivial for ranged to blast constructors across the room.� Battery rooms have two circles pop every three seconds, which severely constricts melee DPS.� Ranged can DPS full blast while strafing out of the circle.� And let's not forget the air battery room debacle as a melee... My raid geared melee is sidelined doing past lives while my Inquisitive hoovers up runes and threads.� The meta pendulum swung too far away from melee. Forgewraiths are cancer And for the Titan, best way to make sure you�re hitting him is to have your d20 right in the middle of the screen. SSG really should figure out a better scaling idea to show that you�re doing damage to an enemy, because the current one is just absolute shit. Also, yea lag + trying to get into Titan hitbox has caused me to fall off more times than I would really like. PN is a whole nother level of anti melee though. The continuously spawning circles in the batteries basically mean that if you want to melee an Elle you need a tank to grab agro in the room. And as you go past r1 it really becomes even worse for melee as far as the bosses are concerned. Gish�s whirlwind is an absolute nightmare to melee, though he at least gives a solid 1.5-2s warning. Rudus is just rudus. And same goes for irk. The whole raid (and sharn in general) feels like Lynn was �trying to come up with some fun ideas to make things interesting�. But because the devs are dumber than a sack of smashed assholes it really just evolved into every anti-melee tactic ever created. And don�t forget the absolute absurd number of safe spots (for ranged) in sharn quests. From Lost at Sea, to A sharn Welcome, to Blown Deadlines, Just Buissness.... red rain. It�s kinda fucking sad to be honest, and it really reduces the quality of the gameplay when half the quests can be safe spotted if you�re ranged.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #67 - Oct 23^rd, 2019 at 11:20pm	Print Post



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Edrein Shroud Slacker Offline Master of Melee Undead (Gimps) Posts: 1004 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #68 - Oct 24^th, 2019 at 12:10am	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2019 at 8:48am: PN: Two bosses can't be DPS'd by melee.� It's trivial for ranged to blast constructors across the room.� Battery rooms have two circles pop every three seconds, which severely constricts melee DPS.� Ranged can DPS full blast while strafing out of the circle.� And let's not forget the air battery room debacle as a melee... This feels a bit false. Both bosses can be DPS'd by a melee, I'd argue that while jumping to hit Irk is a bit irksome you can at the very least beat on Zulkis to prep him for the ranged DPS to kill him.


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Rzyman Waterworks Kobold Offline lovers gonna love Posts: 191 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2018	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #69 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 2:39pm	Print Post
	I see your points and I do agree that melee supposed to be more ressilent or more destructive (or both) than ranged. Still, IMO its not the issue of sorcs and ranged build, just bad balance of game overall. In my opinion in a hands of good player with toon strong enough and with good builds player supposed to solo r10 several quests, thats fine. The issue is that mosts builds just too weak.

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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #70 - Oct 27^th, 2019 at 6:30pm	Print Post
	so they nerfed throwers and replaced them them with Inquisitors? WTaF


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kum-gulp VoD Slasher Offline I Love Tired Vault Memes! Posts: 1812 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2010	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #71 - Oct 28^th, 2019 at 6:34am	Print Post
	I don't feel like my thrower is poor or has been nerfed. Inquis is just much stronger.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: What Really Needs A Nerf Reply #72 - Oct 28^th, 2019 at 10:23am	Print Post
	Yes...nerf other builds.

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