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Snu Snu Shroud Slacker Offline Drama is boring Posts: 1044 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2012	coming Tree overhauls Aug 31^st, 2019 at 8:39am	Print Post


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Skoodge LORD OF BOOBS Offline Whatever Posts: 3702 Location: Why? You want to visit me? Joined: Jul 19^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: coming Tree overhauls Reply #1 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 8:56am	Print Post
	Wow, they've really been listening to all the complaints about melee needing more love

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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: coming Tree overhauls Reply #2 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 10:39am	Print Post
	i can't see anything


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: coming Tree overhauls Reply #3 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 10:42am	Print Post
	I think that's the point. It is sarcastic. There are no tree overhauls coming.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: coming Tree overhauls Reply #4 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 11:31am	Print Post
	Bows are fucked. They will never be close to inquisitive. Because Steelstar loves crossbows, and he would have made BE this insane, but Sev told him to put into a new tree that they could sell. Otherwise Artificer would have had the power that a stupid universal tree possess. How do I know this? because I am fucking psychic with incredible intuitive capabilities. I should charge you apologists for these telepathic readings

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Beer Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 174 Joined: Mar 21^st, 2017	Re: coming Tree overhauls Reply #5 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 11:43am	Print Post
	Before you buy, Rub's method involves his index finger and your prostate.

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Beer Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 174 Joined: Mar 21^st, 2017	Re: coming Tree overhauls Reply #6 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 11:45am	Print Post
	We don't call him Rubbins for nuttin. Changes look good IMO. We just need a FAT inquis nerf imo. Sorc's trees are garbage---they're being carried by their cast speed and the reaper difficulty changes.

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Edrein Shroud Slacker Offline Master of Melee Undead (Gimps) Posts: 1001 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: coming Tree overhauls Reply #7 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 7:33pm	Print Post
	Design work on Divine Disciple sounds interesting. I wonder if that means they'll retool the tree to work around your cleric domain and potentially unlock a second domain albeit at level 12/core 18/capstone just to complete the tabletop feeling. It'd be neat to see DD work around Domains but then again; that'd really shift the paradigm from "FVS are better fighters" to clerics favor with 4 melee domains even if 3 of them suck ass due to War having Holysword.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: coming Tree overhauls Reply #8 - Sep 3^rd, 2019 at 9:54am	Print Post
	I like to see them addressing the SD issue with pally and fighter. EDF really was a proxy nerf to fighters and pallys. I also like seeing bows finally get some attention. That is long long overdue. THF is also good to see, but I'm just not that into THF. I would love to see a viable bow build again. And not a monkcher. Where you are actually half melee and half bow. My monkcher was always finding it better to use handwraps when manyshot and 10kstars was on timer. But that was 5+ years ago.


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Edrein Shroud Slacker Offline Master of Melee Undead (Gimps) Posts: 1001 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: coming Tree overhauls Reply #9 - Sep 3^rd, 2019 at 11:40am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2019 at 9:54am: I like to see them addressing the SD issue with pally and fighter.� � EDF really was a proxy nerf to fighters and pallys. I'd like to see a general change in the percentage based HP boosts. Make Class/Enhancement bonus, Racial bonus, and then make EDF a competence/stacking bonus. That way Fighters, Paladins, and Bears have an actual reason for their HP stances. Retroactively go back and change Aasimar to being racial bonus and change Renegade Mastermaker to Enhancement and make Falconry unique/stacking. Set the maximum racial bonus to 10%, Class/Enhancement to 30% (10 per rank/AP point), and EDF to 20% max. Let HP tank min-maxing be based around taking an appropriate racial choice.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: coming Tree overhauls Reply #10 - Sep 3^rd, 2019 at 12:03pm	Print Post
	Edrein wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2019 at 11:40am: I'd like to see a general change in the percentage based HP boosts. Make Class/Enhancement bonus, Racial bonus, and then make EDF a competence/stacking bonus. That way Fighters, Paladins, and Bears have an actual reason for their HP stances. Retroactively go back and change Aasimar to being racial bonus and change Renegade Mastermaker to Enhancement and make Falconry unique/stacking. Set the maximum racial bonus to 10%, Class/Enhancement to 30% (10 per rank/AP point), and EDF to 20% max. Let HP tank min-maxing be based around taking an appropriate racial choice. I agree that cleaning up the bonus types makes sense. All the class ones are one type. The race ones are one type. Universal Trees, Epic Feats, Gear/Filigrees, and ED's (if any exist) are each a unique stacking type. That's a structure that makes sense.


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Beer Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 174 Joined: Mar 21^st, 2017	Re: coming Tree overhauls Reply #11 - Sep 3^rd, 2019 at 6:15pm	Print Post
	It pisses me off to no end that Asamir are hardier than Dwarves

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: coming Tree overhauls Reply #12 - Sep 3^rd, 2019 at 6:38pm	Print Post
	Beer wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2019 at 6:15pm: It pisses me off to no end that Asamir are hardier than Dwarves The dwarf tree needs an overhaul. Badly. I'm not a fan of Dwarves, but that one just doesn't cut it.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: coming Tree overhauls Reply #13 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 9:43am	Print Post
	The Dwarf Tree has neat ideas, they are just dated and poorly implemented. Throw Your Weight Around needs to pair with a con to hit ability to not be a trap. Also get rid of the 8 pts in weapon training prereq. Stand like Stone is basically flavor text as is. It makes no sense as an action boost. Make it a toggle and move it down a tier. Child of the Mountain should grant at least as much HP as Aasimar. Make it 3%/6%/10%, get rid of the reflex penalty, reduce the cost to 1ap per rank, and move it up a tier. Dwarf Fortress, if it's going to sit at the top of the tree, should changed to 1 rank and be buffed. Maybe 10% damage + 10% AC + some MRR? Shield mastery is great if you're going to use a shield, but should probably cost 1ap per rank. If the cores are just going to be HP instead of something interesting, they should be more like 20hp per. Iron Stomach should be updated to be the same as (or more like) Liquid Courage from Kensei Great as is: Armor Mastery for anyone wearing armor, Tactics for melees, Hands of Stone for casters.

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: coming Tree overhauls Reply #14 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 12:46pm	Print Post
	Dwarf does have some nice flavor in it. I didn�t mean that I don�t like what they are trying to do. I agree with you that they need to adjust costs and values to be more current with the game today. Dwarf should be competitive choice on tank, vanguard, and heavy armor thf or twf builds.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: coming Tree overhauls Reply #15 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 12:49pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 9:43am: The Dwarf Tree has neat ideas, they are just dated and poorly implemented. Throw Your Weight Around needs to pair with a con to hit ability to not be a trap. Also get rid of the 8 pts in weapon training prereq. Stand like Stone is basically flavor text as is. It makes no sense as an action boost. Make it a toggle and move it down a tier. Child of the Mountain should grant at least as much HP as Aasimar. Make it 3%/6%/10%, get rid of the reflex penalty, reduce the cost to 1ap per rank, and move it up a tier. Dwarf Fortress, if it's going to sit at the top of the tree, should changed to 1 rank and be buffed. Maybe 10% damage + 10% AC + some MRR? Shield mastery is great if you're going to use a shield, but should probably cost 1ap per rank. If the cores are just going to be HP instead of something interesting, they should be more like 20hp per. Iron Stomach should be updated to be the same as (or more like) Liquid Courage from Kensei Great as is: Armor Mastery for anyone wearing armor, Tactics for melees, Hands of Stone for casters. Good ideas. We will get these in the new iconic dwarf they sell us.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: coming Tree overhauls Reply #16 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 2:06pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 12:49pm: Good ideas. We will get these in the new iconic dwarf they sell us. And ensure 3/4 of them are bugged and don't work as described. But hey, the descriptions will sound nice and sell the iconic.


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