Looks about right.

BUT YOU FORGOT TIER S ; TILO'S BUILDS!!!!!!!!!!!

Asheras wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 11:36am:


Usually when I see someone mention monk my mind defaults to shurikens.

Maybe ranger squeeks into tier 1. DOD is still amazeballs.

Context matters.  Rank tiers according to what?  Raids?  High skull RXP farming?  Sorc ice is T1 for raids, but T2 for R10; flip that for fire.

the_biggest_dog wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 2:39pm:

Eh that's what I get responding to threads while on conf calls.

Carry on.

Edrein wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 1:45pm:


Just asking because a wraps monk is certainly not worse than a barb or Kensai.   And is better than a pally split build or PDK bard. 

Didn't see any thrower options otherwise tho if that wasn't a star chucker.   Just Inquis rogue and other inquis for ranged really.   Nothing about arti repeater, rogue G-Xbow mechanic either.   Monkcher Bow and regular Bows got a mention though.  Despite being less relevant than ever for the last year or so.   (Had a brief benefit in baba as a paralyzer build.)

Asheras wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 5:59pm:

We have tested these and on any beatdown where the 75 seconds of off time for 1K cuts is a factor ; other builds not reliant on prolonged cooldowns pull ahead. Fighters and barbs would leap frog tempest out of tier 2. Tempest's entire class identity hinges on DoD otherwise there are higher sustained focused dps builds, and plenty of them. 


HelloKitty wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 2:14pm:

Assuming Vac/Dust and or Ooze are the debuffs, then any dps build can stack them. And should. Yes, even THF and Ranged builds which have to swap out of sentient weapons. It increases your dps and gets you better times. 

Bigjunk wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 10:41pm:



His name is Beer.

Gunga wrote on Sep 6^th, 2019 at 8:53am:


My name is King Nig Nog

crsm3423 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2019 at 11:57am:


I think warlock souleater is underrated ATM. The will-based instakills are so much more reliable in sharn---and the utility they provide is gucci.

Carpone wrote on Sep 6^th, 2019 at 1:46pm:

Agree with all of this.   The monk class is a high ceiling low floor situation.   By comparison, it is much harder to screw up a tempest.  Unless you royally screw up the AP spend in tempest tree, you will have a respectable DPS toon. 

crsm3423 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2019 at 11:57am:


Shintao should be able to land its Jade DC on every mob. Tests with monks are conducted utilizing Jade's 10% vulnerability to physical damage. Aberrations, undead, and non-lawful outsiders take 20%. Stacks with every thing including Rebuke.

For solo dps tests, self sustained swaps and rotations are what I try to focus on. Not that I won't twist Bound or ask a FVS to Rebuke and give me the weapon critical profile buff, but that is for fun. As for in game dps testing, the OP matches my and many of my friend's conclusions.

Inquisitive beats any melee, ranged, or magical dps times in a wide range of EDs. We were laughing at how it shits on anything in any ED you wanted to compete with. It is basically sub ten seconds in SD, Shiradi, or Fury. And sub 15 in LD, Shiradi without Adrenaline, and SD without Dark Imbuement. You just have to be willing to and able to execute the weapons swaps and time your rotations correctly. If you can't do it on lama then you can't do it in-game. Vincio is on GLand with his shooter right now if you want to group with someone who does this in game.