higgildypiggildy wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 11:29am:


Except he paid $10 per month for the fun and he paid $500 for the cosmetics and leaderboard status.

Groo The Wanderer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 8:24am:

are you fucking retarded? he won the #1 spot on the leaderboard, that's pay to win

the_biggest_dog wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 8:43am:
Are you fucking pathetic, how is that "anything" to "win".

I guess when You don't have a dick you need to measure your digital one, alas I can't relate to that so I guess I'll have to take your word for it.

But in the real world nobody is going to consider that a real win.  At best it's an accomplishment, but it sure as hell isn't a win.  Where does anyone see that in the future, I know it's posted but really is anyone going to go looking for that. 

What does his "win" give him in the actual game. That's easy, nothing at all as his rewards were identical to dozens who achieved the same favor and reaper point reward.  Hell many did so spending only the points they achieved on the run.

In the end he didn't Pay to Win, he at best paid to have advantage on a digital list that pretty much nobody who played it really cared about.

Groo The Wanderer wrote on Dec 12^th, 2019 at 8:54am:

LOL, so you "Paid to advantage" and didn't get enough advantage? So now the "advantage" was probably sour anyway?

Nobody cares if you P2W, just stop protesting so loudly that it isn't "true" P2W. That's what's really pathetic. We're all totally cool about you doing it, just stop trying to convince us you weren't doing it.

Alex DeLarge wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 8:56am:


Gunga is gonna be pissed that his crown has been stolen.

Gunga wrote on Dec 16^th, 2019 at 10:25am:


Sock? LOL not even close, faggot.

Go back to jacking off in a room with other music industry fags, you asshole.

Whatever tickles your pickle, man.

Dark_Helmet wrote on Dec 17^th, 2019 at 1:39am:


Everyone was on an equal footing.  On the hardcore server we are all VIP's we all regularly spend mney on DDO.  We all Pay. 
You could choose to pay, or not. 

Some people have jobs/families and cannot play as much as others.  Is that everyone being on an equal footing, explain to me (and use small words to be sure I understand) that one person having more time available to play than another is equal where as being willing to spend more money is not equal.

higgildypiggildy wrote on Dec 17^th, 2019 at 1:56pm:


Playing time is also proportionate to skill. The longer one has played the better they are, usually. Skill, which should always be the sole factor in competitions, is directly circumvented by paying to bypass time. Paying to bypass time is a direct advantage over those spending time doing the tasks, if the people are within a similar skill gap. Money and time are not equal. Not all my hours are fungible.

I would try to explain it to you, but youre a retard grasping at straws. Nothing is ever going to be equal, but reducing the amount of ways people can acquire an advantage is always going to be better for the skilled players than just having multiple ways to skip shit by paying for it. you fucking faggot

Even without the store the hardcore league isn’t really “fair”.   It’s always about who wants to spend more resources.  That’s how mmos work in general.

People spending more time will generally have a massive advantage over those spending less.  There is a reason that all competitors in a basketball game have 40 or 48 minutes (depending on league) to score as many points as they can.  One team doesn’t get 60 minutes and the other 48.   Same in soccer and football.    Or in baseball, both teams get 27 outs.   In golf, 18 holes.   

If one player can choose to spend an excessive number of hours like 360 hours (30 per week) while others can only spend 120 (10 per week) then the competition is unbalanced.  The player spending 240 more hours is probably going to win.  The same as if one player can choose to spend an excessive amount of money like $500 while others spend $30. 

As long as players can spend unlimited resources, time and/or money,  then the “win” goes to the player who spends the most resources.  Sure there is skill in knowing how to spend the time correctly or the money correctly.   You can waste it on useless activities and get no ROI with both.   But assuming a reasonably capable player, resources > skill.  And time > money. 

The competitions are never going to be fair unless the game developer makes the competitions resource limited.   

Fastest player to complete the GH chain thru to raid.  (1st life, Character level 13 only)
Most favor earned in 2 hours of game time.  (1st level character only)

Things like that.   With store unavailable.  Those would create limits on both time and money to the point that player skill and game knowledge would have the strongest impact on outcome.

As currently constructed (play as much as you want for 90 days and spend as much as you want), just being willing to play the game like a full time job (with overtime) is the most relevant factor to winning.   Not money or skill or knowledge. 

Asheras wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:16am:



The players of this game always, and I mean ALWAYS, understand the game better than the people making it.

If these type of contests were had I wouldve definitely put time and effort into HC.

Good idea.

The points you've made make me think the HC server should just be a constantly rotating challenge server.

Server on, make characters, dash to first VON R1 completion, server goes down: prize awarded etc.

Different goals all the time, prizes to first 10 people or 10 groups then full server wipe. No store.

Everyone I know who was there felt the same way, the last few weeks were pointless as is.