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whoknows Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 49 Joined: Jul 1^st, 2011	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #25 - Nov 29^th, 2019 at 12:04am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 11:41am: Ugh on those tactics.� �Bringing pike alts to a raid is bad enough.� Using them to roll on loot is unconscionable.� Ever Play with Kally?


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raybob DQ Assaulter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 452 Joined: Sep 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #26 - Nov 29^th, 2019 at 7:23am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 11:44am: I like the idea of the item.� I do not like the price of it.� �I think a lower price would make more sense.� I�m not sure there is anything I want to transfer bad enough that I would pay that price to move it. The idea of the item is fucking retarded. Just make shit BTA. Better yet, make the shit unbound.


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #27 - Nov 29^th, 2019 at 11:00am	Print Post
	whoknows wrote on Nov 29^th, 2019 at 12:04am: Ever Play with Kally?� At LEAST one alt of his in every dungeon he runs. Sometimes it's two (quite common) or even three (rarely)!

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #28 - Nov 29^th, 2019 at 11:20am	Print Post
	raybob wrote on Nov 29^th, 2019 at 7:23am: The idea of the item is fucking retarded. Just make shit BTA.� Better yet, make the shit unbound. Disagree. I still like raid loot being free btc. Raid mats bta. Nothing else should be btc.


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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #29 - Nov 29^th, 2019 at 1:34pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Nov 29^th, 2019 at 11:20am: Disagree.� I still like raid loot being free btc.� Raid mats bta.� � Nothing else should be btc.� The big problem with raid loot being BTC is that personal bank space doesn't grown in proportion to the amount of raid content. Of course, anytime personal bank space is brought up on the other forums, the devs go into full blown excuse mode on why they can't expand it for reasons. SSG has intentionally designed the game to encourage TRing. Anyone who TRs a lot though knows they need to keep raid items that are either exceedingly rare, good mythic + reaper combos, or just from raids that rarely get run anymore for when they TR to different build types or the devs just get a stick up their ass and destroy the current metas. SSG should let players convert their raid items to runes. Voila, personal bank space problems for BTC items solved. This would have the side benefits of significantly reducing the amount of personal bank space and TR cache space. Since the devs have blamed large amounts of items in personal bank space and TR caches for various bugs and performance issues, this should be something that would be a win/win for them.


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Edrein Shroud Slacker Offline Master of Melee Undead (Gimps) Posts: 1004 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #30 - Nov 29^th, 2019 at 2:44pm	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on Nov 29^th, 2019 at 1:34pm: SSG should let players convert their raid items to runes.� Voila, personal bank space problems for BTC items solved. This would have the side benefits of significantly reducing the amount of personal bank space and TR cache space.� Since the devs have blamed large amounts of items in personal bank space and TR caches for various bugs and performance issues, this should be something that would be a win/win for them. This; even if it was like a 1/3rd or 1/4th value conversion it'd be a nice quality of life change.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #31 - Nov 29^th, 2019 at 3:37pm	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on Nov 29^th, 2019 at 1:34pm: The big problem with raid loot being BTC is that personal bank space doesn't grown in proportion to the amount of raid content.� Of course, anytime personal bank space is brought up on the other forums, the devs go into full blown excuse mode on why they can't expand it for reasons. SSG has intentionally designed the game to encourage TRing.� Anyone who TRs a lot though knows they need to keep raid items that are either exceedingly rare, good mythic + reaper combos, or just from raids that rarely get run anymore for when they TR to different build types or the devs just get a stick up their ass and destroy the current metas. SSG should let players convert their raid items to runes.� Voila, personal bank space problems for BTC items solved. This would have the side benefits of significantly reducing the amount of personal bank space and TR cache space.� Since the devs have blamed large amounts of items in personal bank space and TR caches for various bugs and performance issues, this should be something that would be a win/win for them. They absolutely need to address inventory and personal bank. Personal bank should move to the shared bank UI at a minimum. Then sell spaces by the 10 again up to 400. Then eliminate the tr Cache entirely. Don�t worry about a more advanced bank ui solution right away. They would generate a lot of revenue on a larger personal bank. They still need to alter the non-raid btc stuff to be bta. I don�t mind the idea of crunching raid loot to runes At a reduced rate. That�s a cool idea.


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Shinyshoes Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 754 Joined: Mar 8^th, 2019	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #32 - Nov 29^th, 2019 at 5:15pm	Print Post
	As these are reasonable, logical and popular suggestions they will immediately be added to the list of changes NEVER to be implemented.


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Artorias Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1213 Joined: Mar 21^st, 2015	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #33 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 9:03am	Print Post
	Edrein wrote on Nov 29^th, 2019 at 2:44pm: This; even if it was like a 1/3rd or 1/4th value conversion it'd be a nice quality of life change. 1/4th might be pushing a little bit but I really like this idea. Has It ever been tossed in the mobo or the devs already came up with a weak sauce excuse on why this is impossible? "we can't because old team..., because resources, because servers, because you are the problem and we geniuses, because OVERPERFORMING!!"


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Edrein Shroud Slacker Offline Master of Melee Undead (Gimps) Posts: 1004 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #34 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 2:42pm	Print Post
	Artorias wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 9:03am: 1/4th might be pushing a little bit but I really like this idea. Has It ever been tossed in the mobo or the devs already came up with a weak sauce excuse on why this is impossible? "we can't because old team..., because resources, because servers, because you are the problem and we geniuses, because OVERPERFORMING!!" I only said 1/4th because let's be real, the devs would choose something sub 1/3 just to pad out the grind further. I don't think anyone has ever suggested it to be honest.


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Slick Stick Puppy Farmer Offline Titties! Posts: 1444 Location: Central Coast, CA Joined: Mar 9^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #35 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 3:10pm	Print Post
	Seems like they could go back to using these. I'm pretty sure they still work, I was too lazy to try. https://photos.google.com/search/_tra_/photo/AF1QipOJxZrux4nlHZ2Rtb8uzBjQ1BIb8uR... These go in bags so it seems like it would be pretty easy, but ssg... Sorry, not exactly sure why the photo isn't showing, also too lazy to find out. You'll just have to click on it.
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Erofen Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 204 Joined: Mar 18^th, 2014	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #36 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 11:54pm	Print Post
	ZooperDooper wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 6:30pm: Ero is Chinese? Japanese tyvm Also, lol? If I have an alt in someone else's raid (with their permission), I roll off the items from it. Not sure what you are on about.


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Dark_Helmet Wielder of the Schwartz Offline I hate you! Posts: 1176 Joined: Feb 14^th, 2010	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #37 - Dec 1^st, 2019 at 12:42am	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 12:09pm: I thought the Bladeforged race for 75% off was an exceptional deal. A single item that was 50% over 5 years ago. They had things such as the half-blood or Morninglord 75% off that weren't part of Black Friday. You would think that a black Friday would give a lot of items that are at least 50% off that have been out for several years. Heck, in previous Black Friday sales, they had 85% off Starter Pack, Druid and Half-Orc Packs, Vaults of the Artificer off. Those are black Friday sales.


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Rose-tinted Goggles Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Nostalgia! Posts: 191 Joined: Jun 3^rd, 2018	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #38 - Dec 1^st, 2019 at 9:53pm	Print Post
	This item would have been pretty decent Pre-MotU when alts were not only incentivized but were basically a necessity. The pug scene would have been hilarious in raids like ToD. The meta would have been funneling as many alts through as you could. Basically a scuffed raid bypass timer (which were added late 2012, shortly after MotU). Putting things up for roll would almost never happen. Epic raids would have been largely untouched. Besides a couple raids there wouldn't be much use for it besides trading some Epic/Shroud items from an old main. The high price tag would counter people trading lower end gear from the older heroic raids(VoD/HoX etc). The backlash would have been massive. Just look at this 22 page thread when +3 tomes were getting added to the DDO Store late 2011 (for context the only way to get +3 tomes back then was to get super lucky looting a raid chest or a 20th list).�Releasing +3 tomes in the store largely killed any incentive for running older heroic raids for most people. I dont see much use for this item today as alts are essentially dead. Raid timer bypasses exist. Mirrors exist for cosmetics. Seems like they missed the boat on this one. I'm surprised a ransack timer bypass doesn't exist yet. Seems like that would sell better?
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	Update 1-13: The golden age of DDO rest wrote on Oct 26^th, 2012 at 12:53pm: DDO is still the old fat wife I have at home who I can't fucking stand, but we've been together so long I can't see myself leaving.
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Shinyshoes Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 754 Joined: Mar 8^th, 2019	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #39 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 2:36am	Print Post
	Seems like they missed the boat.... Time and again they demonstrate how they would prefer to swim.


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #40 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 10:29am	Print Post
	Shinyshoes wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 2:36am: Seems like they missed the boat.... Time and again they demonstrate how they would prefer to swim. That's what happens when you have a former player who was good at hosting events (like fashion shows, iirc) on her server, takes an offer from Turbine to be the Community Manager, and finally becomes the "Brand Manager" with no actual marketing experience in her background as far as we know.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #41 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 11:15am	Print Post
	Rose-tinted Goggles wrote on Dec 1^st, 2019 at 9:53pm: alts are essentially dead. I disagree with this comment.� �Most all the players I run with have multiple alts.� �Beyond that, when you get outside of the meta crowd, alts become even more prevalent.� This item make sense, especially in combination with other changes, but not at the price point they gave. Selling a ransack bypass timer would probably make a very small segment of the player base happy in the short term but would really only further speed up the "Let's gear grind new content into the ground as fast as possible....I'm bored.� there is nothing do to for months until the next release besides the hamster wheel." cycle.� � They need to monetize the game in other ways, imo.� �
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Distributed Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 855 Joined: Oct 4^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #42 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 1:00pm	Print Post
	Price is ridiculous, as usual. Also a big slap in the face. They killed any form of game economy by making everything bound and instead of fixing that they make us pay to unbind stuff. IMO anything that�s not from a raid should be unbound, even raid crafting ingredients. Shard house had a good flow when eGH came out. They would profit from having an active shard house again. The item could still exist to transfer raid loot on same account, at a decent price of course. Heck they could even sell two versions. Cheap one for account sharing and expensive one to completely unbind it to be traded with anyone.
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Slick Stick Puppy Farmer Offline Titties! Posts: 1444 Location: Central Coast, CA Joined: Mar 9^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #43 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 3:07pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 11:15am: Most all the players I run with have multiple alts. I have multiple from the old days. I would assume most people who have been playing since before bypass timers do as well. Asheras wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 11:15am: This item make sense, Although I don't believe this is the case. I can't imagine ever using something like that. I guess if I could pass it to another account maybe.

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Rose-tinted Goggles Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Nostalgia! Posts: 191 Joined: Jun 3^rd, 2018	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #44 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 9:05pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 11:15am: I disagree with this comment.� �Most all the players I run with have multiple alts.� �Beyond that, when you get outside of the meta crowd, alts become even more prevalent.� I feel like most of the alts getting played today were those created long ago. Having plenty of time to participate during the release of each hamster wheel. Asheras wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 11:15am: This item make sense, especially in combination with other changes, but not at the price point they gave. I could see it being that price pre-motu but definitely way too over priced for live. Asheras wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 11:15am: Selling a ransack bypass timer would probably make a very small segment of the player base happy in the short term but would really only further speed up the "Let's gear grind new content into the ground as fast as possible....I'm bored.� there is nothing do to for months until the next release besides the hamster wheel." cycle.� � They need to monetize the game in other ways, imo.� � Agreed. Theres always ramifications when selling convenience items that eliminate purposely designed roadblocks. +3 tomes stopping people from farming 20th lists in older heroic raids Raid bypass timers/chest re-rolls destroying the longevity of content I used to shit on the 18 hour epic quest and 3 day raid lock outs but it did an amazing job preserving content. I think cosmetics would make a killing but it seems like its too much work for them to code? Having to mesh each race and all the animations. This appears to be the case considering they hardly released anything noteworthy in the shop. I understand they're bound by the "D&D" theme but will it kill them to make some actual good looking cosmetics and try to sell them?

	Update 1-13: The golden age of DDO rest wrote on Oct 26^th, 2012 at 12:53pm: DDO is still the old fat wife I have at home who I can't fucking stand, but we've been together so long I can't see myself leaving.
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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #45 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 9:45pm	Print Post
	There might be a big backlash if they released a ransack bypass, even a chest ransack bypass, too soon after instituting ransack for optional XP.

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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Shinyshoes Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 754 Joined: Mar 8^th, 2019	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #46 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 10:39pm	Print Post
	They aren't concerned by backlash. You like what they do and participate or you don't and do not. Their actions have shown that it does not matter to them.
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Synchrono Waterworks Kobold Offline I am not a noun, I am a VERB. Posts: 154 Location: In The Heart of Darkness Joined: May 30^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #47 - Dec 4^th, 2019 at 5:36pm	Print Post
	It cracks me up how I have seen them claim that a Potion Storage back can't exist and yet when the had that new Call of Destiny Freebie pop up it actually goes INTO a Green bag and it's a POTION. So the technology for it is likely just an item flag of "Ingredients Bag" etc.... since they have added other bags... Augements we know that's not a locked system why not create bags for potions, scrolls etc. I would prefer unbound be we know they will be BtC stuff but still.... if it was at all reasonable I can see them for every toon at least ones I actually play to store things I want around but don't want to be in random stacks to be broken which is likely why they don't let you keep them out. I mean why else it is nearly always the DDoor scrolls when you carry them that get "destroyed" in random combat?


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #48 - Dec 5^th, 2019 at 6:37am	Print Post
	It goes in a bag but can't be used from the bag. SSG is deathly afraid of changing anything about the inventory system that might result in duping.


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Dark_Helmet Wielder of the Schwartz Offline I hate you! Posts: 1176 Joined: Feb 14^th, 2010	Re: New store Item: Wish of Inheritance Reply #49 - Dec 10^th, 2019 at 11:04pm	Print Post
	There will always be whales. I see people bragging about their horses from gold rolls (using lots of shards to roll on the gold table), reroll in chests for horse shoes and talking about moving multiple items per PC. "Oh look, I am lucky because I spent hundreds on the chance for an item" ala hardcore. Hardcore will become abused: If you don't make it a special event (rare), the whales won't beach themselves on the DDO shore and feel betrayed for all the money they spent. People complain about the 1%, but I am a 1% because I am smart enough not to blow all that money on virtual items.


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