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Metal-Beast Abbot Raider Offline \m/ Posts: 767 Joined: Apr 13^th, 2014	Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Dec 13^th, 2019 at 10:19am	Print Post
	Well, SSG... I guess it's time to update those resumes...

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #1 - Dec 13^th, 2019 at 11:03am	Print Post
	I'm sure it will have some impact, like Neverwinter did.


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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #2 - Dec 13^th, 2019 at 2:10pm	Print Post
	Yeah, I'm not worried, I'll just take my laptop down to Borders for free wifi and play SSG's version. 2020 is going to be an interesting year for SSG, between Amazon's LotR MMO and Tuque's D&D multiplayer online RPG (https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/12/13/dark-alliance-revealed-as-new-action-rpg...) they might feel a bit of a squeeze. And they've earned it, of course, with their "you're having fun wrong, we know best" attitude. But it's great either way - if the new games are good enough to replace DDO & LotRO then we have great new games, and if not we at least have some competition to shake up their complacency. And it needs shaking.

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #3 - Dec 13^th, 2019 at 3:04pm	Print Post
	Meursault wrote on Dec 13^th, 2019 at 2:10pm: Tuque's D&D multiplayer online RPG (https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/12/13/dark-alliance-revealed-as-new-action-rpg...) Can't create your own character. have to play as drizzt, bruenor, Cattie or wulfgar. Its about unlocking combos and moves. Not leveling and gathering gear. No persistent world. Sounds pretty cookie cutter, even for a coop RPG. BG3 is probably a bigger threat, just by drawing eyeballs for a while. Even that isn't an MMO, though. Don't get me wrong. I'll check it out. But after a few play thrus I doubt it has much legs. (Also what's with that "running into the camera" view?)


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #4 - Dec 13^th, 2019 at 4:52pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Dec 13^th, 2019 at 3:04pm: (Also what's with that "running into the camera" view?) Lol. Youtube comments are gold. "I remember, well, that winter. We had attached GoPros to our weapons and consumed enough Angel Dust to keep us warm 'til the end of our days. And, until the end of our days, we would convince ourselves that it was orcs we were slaying...""

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Synchrono Waterworks Kobold Offline I am not a noun, I am a VERB. Posts: 154 Location: In The Heart of Darkness Joined: May 30^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #5 - Dec 14^th, 2019 at 9:38am	Print Post
	Not sure I would bother with the Torque game too much as I really don't like fixed character RPGs all that much myself nor online only games usually but time will tell. The thing about MMOs is that SSG seems to just want to keep milking what whales they have and are satisfied with their existing player base. They put zero efforts into getting any new players and in fact their hyper cash grabbishness which infects the UI for a new player has to turn off so many people. I mean lets face it if you started to play today you could play 4 races with the rest paywalled. There are 4 expansions you have to buy.... plus all the adventure packs or pay for VIP which for a new player isn't a terrible idea but why on earth would someone who never has played before and who is damn likely to fall into the create a toon that should work in PnP and doesn't because.... character creation traps. These people just run into a fail. Hell I started playing 9 years ago and it took me 7 months to learn that wiki existed and that first toon.... god did it suck but I got it to 20 and it took me a year. The sole reason I kept playing was I was duoing with a guy I went to High School with and slogged our way through. That first life took us nearly a year with out schedules and slowly going through each corner of every dungeon nook and cranny. Hell hating running into "zerging" was a pet peeve for that time I thoroughly enjoyed the game so much in those days. It's funny if I go to start playing say SWTOR they have that set up so if I want to run content older than the current expansion it's legitimately part of their free to play setup before you deal with the whole cash shop thing. Between a new AAA MMO coming and their idiotic lack of basic marketting will SSG survive??? Fuck if I know but good god at least they figured out how to add a horse that was a controllable...


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #6 - Dec 14^th, 2019 at 10:56am	Print Post
	How much of their money comes from LOTRO?


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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5977 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #7 - Dec 14^th, 2019 at 4:52pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Dec 14^th, 2019 at 10:56am: How much of their money comes from LOTRO? Lotro's population is 2x ours, so 2/3s?

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #8 - Dec 14^th, 2019 at 5:54pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Dec 14^th, 2019 at 10:56am: How much of their money comes from LOTRO? How is lotto monetized? They don�t have reincarnation but they do have housing, right?


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Edrein Shroud Slacker Offline Master of Melee Undead (Gimps) Posts: 1001 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #9 - Dec 14^th, 2019 at 9:41pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Dec 14^th, 2019 at 5:54pm: How is lotto monetized?� �They don�t have reincarnation but they do have housing, right? Cosmetics are a big deal of their sales, as well as convenience/pay-to-bypass type stuff like Otto's boxes. I don't recall whether or not housing has store tie ins. Back when I used to play several years ago it didn't. But who knows now.


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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #10 - Dec 16^th, 2019 at 10:09am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Dec 13^th, 2019 at 3:04pm: Can't create your own character.� �have to play as drizzt, bruenor, Cattie or wulfgar.� �Its about unlocking combos and moves.� Not leveling and gathering gear.� �No persistent world.� Sounds pretty cookie cutter, even for a coop RPG.� � BG3 is probably a bigger threat, just by drawing eyeballs for a while.� �Even that isn't an MMO, though. Don't get me wrong.� I'll check it out.� �But after a few play thrus I doubt it has much legs. (Also what's with that "running into the camera" view?) The thing is, it doesn't have to have legs to deal a serious blow to SSG, they clearly aren't "plan for the future" types so I sincerely doubt they have significant reserves. Even a mere 3 month hit to income could "force" them to make some really bad monetization choices that trigger another round of player attrition. They wouldn't even understand what was happening. Your point about not being an MMO is interesting, in this day and age, how important is MMO vs online coop? I'm not sure how localized a phenomenon it is, but nobody I play with regularly plays just one game anymore. Connecting outside of a game and hopping into an online coop isn't noticeably more difficult than hooking up in an MMO now. In fact, for most of my play, online coop is better because I don't get lag from some rando spamming auras in another quest. I agree that 10 years ago an MMO would have a strong competitive advantage, but today an online RPG seems to be on nearly equal footing.

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #11 - Dec 16^th, 2019 at 10:10am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Dec 13^th, 2019 at 4:52pm: Lol. Youtube comments are gold. "I remember, well, that winter.� We had attached GoPros to our weapons and consumed enough Angel Dust to keep us warm 'til the end of our days.� And, until the end of our days, we would convince ourselves that it was orcs we were slaying..."" OMG, that's awesome!

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #12 - Dec 16^th, 2019 at 10:20am	Print Post
	Synchrono wrote on Dec 14^th, 2019 at 9:38am: ... I mean lets face it if you started to play today you could play 4 races with the rest paywalled. There are 4 expansions you have to buy.... plus all the adventure packs or pay for VIP which for a new player isn't a terrible idea but why on earth would someone who never has played before and who is damn likely to fall into the create a toon that should work in PnP and doesn't because.... character creation traps. ... ^This. Our IRL gaming group brought in 2 new players, and I introduced them to GW2 and DDO. They spent $19.95 each for all GW2 expansions, looked at DDO and said "uh, how much? For this? No thanks" and that was it. So GW2 "only" got $20, but DDO got nothing.

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #13 - Dec 16^th, 2019 at 10:45am	Print Post
	The Dark Alliance games have always been a hack and slash affair. Not a true RPG, let alone MMORPG.

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Shinyshoes Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 754 Joined: Mar 8^th, 2019	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #14 - Dec 16^th, 2019 at 2:18pm	Print Post
	So DDO is an MMORPG because you can join a group to solve tile puzzles? It looks like hack and slash to me. Four melee two cater two ranged, twelve feet, four melee two Caster two ranged, corner, four melee two Caster two ranged...


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #15 - Dec 16^th, 2019 at 3:47pm	Print Post
	Meursault wrote on Dec 16^th, 2019 at 10:09am: Your point about not being an MMO is interesting, in this day and age, how important is MMO vs online coop? Probably depends on your definition of Online Coop vs. MMO. Online Coop RPG to me is something more like multiplayer single Campaign RPG. Quote: So DDO is an MMORPG because you can join a group to solve tile puzzles? It looks like hack and slash to me. Four melee two cater two ranged, twelve feet, four melee two Caster two ranged, corner, four melee two Caster two ranged... Hack n Slash isn't the issue. The issue is everything else. The game shown above is basically Halo with swords and hammers and axes and bows. You can play as Drizzt or Bruenor instead of Master Chief or the Arbiter, etc. That's an FPS in a fantasy setting.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #16 - Dec 17^th, 2019 at 8:55am	Print Post
	I mean, you can play DDO like it's a hack and slash game. I'm sure many people do,...but there's more to it than that.

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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5977 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #17 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 12:15pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 17^th, 2019 at 8:55am: I mean, you can play DDO like it's a hack and slash game. I'm sure many people do,...but there's more to it than that. And that's what made it a good D and D mmo imo.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #18 - Dec 19^th, 2019 at 10:13am	Print Post
	WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 12:15pm: And that's what made it a good D and D mmo imo. Indeed, you can play pencil and paper D&D like it's a hack and slash game. Many people do,...but there's more to it than that.

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Edrein Shroud Slacker Offline Master of Melee Undead (Gimps) Posts: 1001 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #19 - Dec 19^th, 2019 at 7:17pm	Print Post
	Meursault wrote on Dec 16^th, 2019 at 10:09am: The thing is, it doesn't have to have legs to deal a serious blow to SSG, they clearly aren't "plan for the future" types so I sincerely doubt they have significant reserves. Even a mere 3 month hit to income could "force" them to make some really bad monetization choices that trigger another round of player attrition. They wouldn't even understand what was happening. Introducing Tenser's Weapon Box: A weaponry focused bundle containing: 10 units of 5000 Sentient Experience 20 Sentience Toolkits 2 Glamered Weapon Auras 5 Mirrors of Glamering 2 Lasting Oils of Strengthening. All items are Bound to Account. Available through January 1st! https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/510791-DDO-Store-Sales-December-19th-2... Man that was uncanny timing on your end.


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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #20 - Dec 20^th, 2019 at 9:43am	Print Post
	Edrein wrote on Dec 19^th, 2019 at 7:17pm: Introducing Tenser's Weapon Box: A weaponry focused bundle containing: 10 units of 5000 Sentient Experience 20 Sentience Toolkits 2 Glamered Weapon Auras 5 Mirrors of Glamering 2 Lasting Oils of Strengthening. All items are Bound to Account. Available through January 1st! https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/510791-DDO-Store-Sales-December-19th-2... Man that was uncanny timing on your end. Holy fuck, I thought you were joking and wondered what obscene .GIF that link would lead to. So I guess I was wrong, they do have some ability to plan ahead and they're getting a start on the bad monetization before they lose potential customers�

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #21 - Dec 20^th, 2019 at 9:50am	Print Post
	Oil of Strengthening?

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #22 - Dec 20^th, 2019 at 1:02pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 20^th, 2019 at 9:50am: Oil of Strengthening? Increases durability/prevents item damage, I guess?


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #23 - Dec 20^th, 2019 at 1:22pm	Print Post
	Edrein wrote on Dec 19^th, 2019 at 7:17pm: Introducing Tenser's Weapon Box: A weaponry focused bundle containing: 10 units of 5000 Sentient Experience 20 Sentience Toolkits 2 Glamered Weapon Auras 5 Mirrors of Glamering 2 Lasting Oils of Strengthening. All items are Bound to Account. Available through January 1st! https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/510791-DDO-Store-Sales-December-19th-2... Man that was uncanny timing on your end. horrible deal for 50k gem xp. They should have bundled it with christmas themed cosmetics. Not just a green and red aura for weapons.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Writing is on the Wall: New LOTRO MMO, by Amazon Reply #24 - Dec 20^th, 2019 at 2:27pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Dec 20^th, 2019 at 1:22pm: horrible deal for 50k gem xp. My understanding is that it's ten (10) 5,000 Sentience XP gems. Less chance of wasting Sentience XP.

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