Hi guys, is it possible to make a non shuriken throwing build and make it work? I'm not talking about R7 and above as I mostly solo between EE and R1/4 (yay, I'm starting to get the hang of this reaper crap)

I managed to pull these out of PN

https://ddowiki.com/images/The_Wide_Open_Sky.png

So, I was wondering if I could actually use them but I have absolutely no experience in a throwing build (even with shuri). I was thinking of going barb with brutal throw to shift the attack roll on strength since it's the same ability used to roll for damage (it seems all throwing daggers do) but I was concerned with attack speed and crit chance. Another choice could be to go bard and swashbuckle as there are some nice options for throwers that allow to retain the swashbuckle stance and all benefits but I think there were some bugs in this one that were never fixed?

Has anyone some insight to share? Should I invest time to build this or make a flavor build on an alt?

They said there was going to be more support for non shuriken throwers soon IIRC.

Not sure if it will be mediocre or overpowered, but apparently it’s coming?

Artorias wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 9:03am:

You are.

On one of the Weekly Livestreams I believe it was, one of the Devs made an appearance and gave a VERY rough outline of what the three Enhancement trees would be like for the Alchemist. One of those trees sounded VERY much like a DPS tree where the enhancements would be focused on dart-throwing.

Yes...dart throwing. 

Be sure to farm for your Legendary Twisted Missile!

Carpone wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 11:57am:


This man has brains.

Asheras wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 3:15pm:

Dart throwing has NEVER been cool because Darts were the only ranged weapons Wizards were proficient with in AD&D some 42 years ago.

Shuriken (Ninjas), Throwing Daggers (Rogues), and Light Crossbows have ALL been cooler ranged weapons (ok, light crossbows maybe less so) than Darts.

I imagine SSG's implementation of Alchemist will at least make them respectable, DPS-wise. That still doesn't make Dart-throwing cool, though.

Teth wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 3:29pm:

Darts still won't be cool. 

Why do people insist on making a throwing dart, dagger hammer, axe build?
The only reason why Shuriken is viable is because Shuriken has a feat and ninja spy that allows for multiple stars to be thrown on top of doubleshot.
Am i missing something?

Halfmaniac wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 4:49pm:


Not-Shuriken is going to have a feat soon too. A feat that does nothing was accidentally added in 43 or 44 and SSG said they were going to use that for exactly this kind of build that is currently garbage.

Halfmaniac wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 9:52pm:



Boredom? Flavor? Challenge? You should look into and report back though.

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Dark_Helmet wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 4:15am:

You pointed this out at least once before. I read it and I ignored it. Why? Because thrown weapons were never a "thing" for most AD&D players.

It wasn't until 2nd Edition came out that the real yoinking (optimization) started. If your group was doing that in AD&D, then good for you.

Carpone wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 12:53pm:


It is pretty solid, from testing on Lama.   What are you thinking beats it for ranged options?

Asheras wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 5:11pm:



More details please.
Attack speed?
Crit profile and multiplier?
Fortification bypass?
Meaning of life?

Carpone wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 1:53pm:


You have to actually play the builds on Lama to know the issues.   Most of the people commenting on the Lama threads are just reacting to what they read or hear and don't have 1st hand knowledge.