I'm doing a throwing alchemist because I want to do a throwing life and see how it feels.

It sucks so bad. So very bad.  HOLY FUCK IT SUCKS SO BAD.

So for now, I've given up on throwing and I'm an Acid nuking Warlock (edit - I mean Alchemist. What the hell? I don’t know what I was thinking when I wrote that) with zero metamagic feats because it's all throwing feats and it is a lot better than it was with throwing. Once I hit 20, I'll try the throwing again and see if it's substantially better in Epic.

ok that was a short honeymoon, i now fucking hate the throwing mechanic

Throwing was terrible.

Inquisitive was okay-ish.

Caster is actually quite decent and could be better if I wasn't doing iconics on it. Having double Multivial from pure 20 would be nice. The run speed though, barb + verdanite + sprint boost is hot. Almost like riding a horse inside quests.

All opinions based on an iconic past life farming goal. Did not bother getting a level 29 gearset for throwing or inquisitive. I might on caster though since it's turning out good and will stick to it through the rest of my iconics.

Alchy nuker is slightly better than wizard nuker but burns through sp about as fast as a sorc. It’s a shitty compromise that didn’t need to happen. Sorcs do more dps, and wizards do better insta-kills.

I am finding that alchy can heal very efficiently, with even the sla fully meta costing just 4 sp a toss and it’s an aoe.

GimpyPaw wrote on Feb 26^th, 2020 at 6:46pm:


How were you burning through SP that quickly? Granted I'll admit I had 3 otto's boxes saved for the occasion so all I played of the class was 18-20 three times in a row.

There were plenty of SLAs to use for damage. Harm SLA is surprisingly good damage on an alch compared to using it as a nuke as a dark disciple death domained cleric.

Although I'll admit the real shining nuke spot comes from the multivial SLA capstone.

But even when pissing away SP on CC, I never felt like I was in danger of running out while casting normal multivial decked out in metas.

I'm having a different experience.  Finding thrower quite strong. 

Sure, all throwers are weak early and scale hard.  Same here, however at level 13 I am sailing through solo R3 quests as I level with little problem.  Right now I am a bit slower than Inquisitive but not by much.

The key is to realize you are a gish.  AoE spells for CC, save your big doubleshot buffs for big bads like reapers.  At 13 with Multishot and tier 5 Vistani 100 double strike going i'm getting 4 to 5 daggers per throw.  That's enough to take out Reapers quick.

Int is at 52 right now and I can see even better scaling in the near future.  Level 18 Alch core should be a big boost to dps.

NOTpopejubal wrote on Feb 28^th, 2020 at 3:48pm:


Is that even true, you're saying that I would be even more powerful?

Alchemist is powerful as fuck, easy up there with sorc as wiz, sorc beats it wiz might not.

Throwing money into SSG's pocket using boxes like that is fucking weird just play the new class.

NOTpopejubal wrote on Feb 29^th, 2020 at 1:51pm:

Dragon Spell Knowledge seemed to make a difference when I tested it. Not so sure about Master of Conjuration but it's still +3 DC so keeping it.

But yeah, the tree is awful. No +MCL anywhere in it, caster levels are pointless when your spells are capped at 10/15. But SLA Multivial is too nice to miss + immunity/resistance removal at T5.

Sadly class is bugged like crazy. As nice as the Multivial SLA is, it requires a target which is bullshit (regular Multivial doesn't need one) when vials get lost sometimes when your target dies. Melt Lock is also fucked, doesn't use Spellcraft. Also Master of Spellvials doesn't work which would be a major DPS boost.

And a million other small things everywhere. Released too fast IMO.

newalchemist wrote on Feb 29^th, 2020 at 8:15pm:


You aren't casting at level 46. You're casting at level 10. 

Your spellpower and spell crit chance/damage are good, but your caster level is still 10.  If you have +10 max caster level from Master of Spell Vials and +3 from Draconic and +3 from Magister that would take you from 10 to 26.

I don't know if +Max Caster Level gear is working or not. Haven't tested that.

NOTpopejubal wrote on Feb 29^th, 2020 at 8:18pm:

I go from like 850-900 damage to 1.2k-ish non-crit with both. Not 29 yet though. Might be easier to see with higher spellpower from better gear.

NOTpopejubal wrote on Feb 29^th, 2020 at 8:17pm:



Why would master of spellvials work but everything else doesn't, the latest patch also says they fixed master of spell vials.

I'm doing a good 1.3k damage 2.5k crit now, how much should I expect once they fix the multivial? It can't be much more than 30% or they'll be VERY powerful.