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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	How are you liking melee post-45? Mar 23^rd, 2020 at 9:29am	Print Post
	It's been a minute since U45 came out and made lots of melee changes. I haven't touched a melee life in months when I did a few THF Wolf lives. How are melee-enthusiasts enjoying melee now? I know that melee isn't going to mow down crowds of trash the same way that AOE casters do, but is Heroic and Epic leveling fun and fast enough to be satisfying with the strikethrough and Cleave changes?


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #1 - Mar 23^rd, 2020 at 10:31am	Print Post
	Started working on my THF Half-Orc Barb this weekend. I'm at 6th level and have noticed that Strikethrough does help. Still too early to give a full review, yet.
	« Last Edit: Mar 23^rd, 2020 at 11:13am by Technomage »
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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #2 - Mar 23^rd, 2020 at 11:07am	Print Post
	I forgot to mention my PDK Vanguard with Bastard Sword and THF feats also seems to be quite strong. I got him up to 29th level.

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #3 - Mar 23^rd, 2020 at 1:24pm	Print Post
	The defensive issues are still significant in higher content.


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Artorias Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1196 Joined: Mar 21^st, 2015	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #4 - Mar 23^rd, 2020 at 3:20pm	Print Post
	Running a swf artificer and, even with low strike through, it is very possible to stun and trip multiple enemies quite easily. Once I'm done farming stuff for lowbie alts I will totally TR into a THF Horc barbarian. Shield fighting feels quite weak though but that might be me since I'm only getting into it now. In my opinion the trade off for dps versus prr gain is nowhere good enough, and I'm using a bloody tower shield. I don't know, I blame my lack of experience with this style


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #5 - Mar 23^rd, 2020 at 4:07pm	Print Post
	Artorias wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2020 at 3:20pm: Shield fighting feels quite weak though but that might be me since I'm only getting into it now. In my opinion the trade off for dps versus prr gain is nowhere good enough, and I'm using a bloody tower shield. I don't know, I blame my lack of experience with this style My PDK Paladin Vanguard uses The Legendary Best Defense. If you're at all concerned about DPS loss, this is the shield for you.
	« Last Edit: Mar 23^rd, 2020 at 4:08pm by Technomage »
	Do not try the patience of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger. We are dreamers, shapers, singers, and makers. We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, crystal and scanner, holographic demons and invocation of equations. These are the tools we employ, and we know many things. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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ILoveExploits Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Exploits! Posts: 2157 Location: piking @ work Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #6 - Mar 23^rd, 2020 at 5:05pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2020 at 1:24pm: The defensive issues are still significant in higher content. This is the problem. They nerfed twf and killed 2-3 end game builds and since pally have the higher defenses it is now the only option for end game. Every update turdbin kills more and more parts of this game.

	Dear players, The D&D rules you were familiar with were too simple to understand, so we're continuing our move away from them to needlessly confusing subsystems that will make your play experience less fun and invalidate old builds and loot. We hope you have fun working out what the fuck MRR, PRR, MP, SP, RP, CL, MCL and all the other bullshit we made up whilst drunk means. Love, People who don't know how to fix their own mistakes cleanly
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raybob DQ Assaulter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 452 Joined: Sep 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #7 - Mar 23^rd, 2020 at 7:53pm	Print Post
	The changes to KOTC and THF have done a bit for pally builds. I'm getting strikethrough on 2 and 3 targets with smites. Never got that with smites before. Its kinda nice. Pally still lags in DPS but defensive features seem to be pretty good.


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Artorias Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1196 Joined: Mar 21^st, 2015	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #8 - Mar 23^rd, 2020 at 8:40pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2020 at 4:07pm: My PDK Paladin Vanguard uses The Legendary Best Defense. If you're at all concerned about DPS loss, this is the shield for you. https://ddowiki.com/images/The_Legendary_Best_Defense.jpg Thanks, will give it a try when I hit the proper level to use it.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #9 - Mar 24^th, 2020 at 8:29am	Print Post
	ILoveExploits wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2020 at 5:05pm: This is the problem. They nerfed twf and killed 2-3 end game builds and since pally have the higher defenses it is now the only option for end game. Every update turdbin kills more and more parts of this game. Are we playing the same game?


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ILoveExploits Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Exploits! Posts: 2157 Location: piking @ work Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #10 - Mar 24^th, 2020 at 10:05am	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Mar 24^th, 2020 at 8:29am: Are we playing the same game? Prolly not, i quitted playing Hello Kitty Adventures.

	Dear players, The D&D rules you were familiar with were too simple to understand, so we're continuing our move away from them to needlessly confusing subsystems that will make your play experience less fun and invalidate old builds and loot. We hope you have fun working out what the fuck MRR, PRR, MP, SP, RP, CL, MCL and all the other bullshit we made up whilst drunk means. Love, People who don't know how to fix their own mistakes cleanly
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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9306 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #11 - Mar 24^th, 2020 at 10:38am	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Mar 24^th, 2020 at 8:29am: Are we playing the same game? I�m with Junk, Melee is pretty strong. It gets really strong if you have a good healer with you. Dwarven Pali - Top Tier Killer Bear Silvanus� - Top Tier Killer Next up on my list of builds to try this month: PDK Pali Silvanus Max cleave/strike through build
	« Last Edit: Mar 24^th, 2020 at 10:39am by Gunga »
	Smrti wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 3:00pm: Gunga is the best.
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ILoveExploits Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Exploits! Posts: 2157 Location: piking @ work Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #12 - Mar 24^th, 2020 at 11:02am	Print Post
	Gunga wrote on Mar 24^th, 2020 at 10:38am: I�m with Junk, Melee is pretty strong. It gets really strong if you have a good healer with you. Dwarven Pali - Top Tier Killer Bear Silvanus� - Top Tier Killer Next up on my list of builds to try this month: PDK Pali Silvanus Max cleave/strike through build You listed 2 builds you moron. How that is good for the game? You fucking bitchs that ony play the turdbin game cant even understand what others say.

	Dear players, The D&D rules you were familiar with were too simple to understand, so we're continuing our move away from them to needlessly confusing subsystems that will make your play experience less fun and invalidate old builds and loot. We hope you have fun working out what the fuck MRR, PRR, MP, SP, RP, CL, MCL and all the other bullshit we made up whilst drunk means. Love, People who don't know how to fix their own mistakes cleanly
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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9306 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #13 - Mar 24^th, 2020 at 11:08am	Print Post
	ILoveExploits wrote on Mar 24^th, 2020 at 11:02am: You listed 2 builds you moron. How that is good for the game? You fucking bitchs that ony play the turdbin game cant even understand what others say. I listed four, genius. You suck at life, kill yourself.

	Smrti wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 3:00pm: Gunga is the best.
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ILoveExploits Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Exploits! Posts: 2157 Location: piking @ work Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #14 - Mar 24^th, 2020 at 11:17am	Print Post
	Gunga wrote on Mar 24^th, 2020 at 11:08am: I listed four, genius. You suck at life, kill yourself. Did you born stupid or you train in turdbin academy?

	Dear players, The D&D rules you were familiar with were too simple to understand, so we're continuing our move away from them to needlessly confusing subsystems that will make your play experience less fun and invalidate old builds and loot. We hope you have fun working out what the fuck MRR, PRR, MP, SP, RP, CL, MCL and all the other bullshit we made up whilst drunk means. Love, People who don't know how to fix their own mistakes cleanly
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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9306 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #15 - Mar 24^th, 2020 at 11:37am	Print Post
	ILoveExploits wrote on Mar 24^th, 2020 at 11:17am: Did you born stupid? Derp.

	Smrti wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 3:00pm: Gunga is the best.
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gibbon Dragon Raider Offline smhma in a cube Posts: 256 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2014	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #16 - Mar 24^th, 2020 at 12:18pm	Print Post
	Strikethrough is seriously noticeable at lower levels. I haven't played a melee over 20 since the changes. I think the question is optimal Strikethrough to attack speed? Also without ignoring defense. Some enhancements like the FB and racials to Strikethrough require the THF feat. KotC and TA can get less but don't require the feat. B-Word Sword and Dorf Axe have more costly enhancements that come in smaller increments but also don't require a feat. For the girl who wants to have it all, I'm going to guess THF feat line, KotC for Improved Second Strikes, Dorf for a little more Strikethrough, Vanguard for 2/3 of SWF attack speed at 20, and Defender Stance for survivability. Bear, I don't even know. It says "All basic attacks Strikethrough," but it doesn't show up on the character sheet. It's definitely working, but I don't know if it is like a free +100% Strikethrough or what. Dire Bear says you get another 20%, smh. Haven't had a bear over level 8 yet. I feel like they put in the feat requirement on FB just to make sure you have to pay a feat tax to get the enhancement Strikethrough on a bear. We need to be able to put the training dummies nearly on top of each other to test Strikethrough. I think twitching is dead, would love to know if that's actually the case.


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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9306 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #17 - Mar 24^th, 2020 at 12:39pm	Print Post
	gibbon wrote on Mar 24^th, 2020 at 12:18pm: I haven't played a melee over 20 since the changes. I highly recommend playing to cap, gearing up and actually playing. If you like playing melee, you'll find something you like. Or you can theory craft and listen to people whine on the forums.

	Smrti wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 3:00pm: Gunga is the best.
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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #18 - Mar 24^th, 2020 at 1:01pm	Print Post
	gibbon wrote on Mar 24^th, 2020 at 12:18pm: I think twitching is dead, would love to know if that's actually the case. Nope. I'm seeing some VERY interesting twitching still going on. Wish I could do it.

	Do not try the patience of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger. We are dreamers, shapers, singers, and makers. We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, crystal and scanner, holographic demons and invocation of equations. These are the tools we employ, and we know many things. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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gibbon Dragon Raider Offline smhma in a cube Posts: 256 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2014	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #19 - Mar 24^th, 2020 at 2:00pm	Print Post
	Gunga wrote on Mar 24^th, 2020 at 12:39pm: I highly recommend playing to cap, gearing up and actually playing. If you like playing melee, you'll find something you like. Or you can theory craft and listen to people whine on the forums. I'm playing on HC right now and I'm a shit player so that's why I'm not at cap. But even if I wasn't I would definitely still do the rest. Technomage wrote on Mar 24^th, 2020 at 1:01pm: Nope. I'm seeing some VERY interesting twitching still going on. Wish I could do it. Alright I'm going to go fuck with this. I got pretty okay-ish when a centered greatsword was the greatest thing going. What was that fucker's name? Cleetus? Haven't done THF past Korthos in a long minute.


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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9306 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #20 - Mar 24^th, 2020 at 2:35pm	Print Post
	gibbon wrote on Mar 24^th, 2020 at 2:00pm: I'm playing on HC right now and I'm a shit player so that's why I'm not at cap. But even if I wasn't I would definitely still do the rest. Alright I'm going to go fuck with this. I got pretty okay-ish when a centered greatsword was the greatest thing going. What was that fucker's name? Cleetus? Haven't done THF past Korthos in a long minute. Give it a shot when you get back from HC. I never thought they would fix THF, but I'm pretty happy with the strikethrough concept.

	Smrti wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 3:00pm: Gunga is the best.
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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3478 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #21 - Mar 24^th, 2020 at 2:59pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Mar 24^th, 2020 at 1:01pm: Nope. I'm seeing some VERY interesting twitching still going on. Wish I could do it. Bear twitching is harder to pull off than the regular and nerfed THF.


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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #22 - Mar 24^th, 2020 at 7:15pm	Print Post
	Glad that the kitey squishy inqui pandemic is over. Pally and barb is nice, tempest solid as ever, shintao still the best melee (imo) in the good hands. Thf changes are cool, just the hitboxes kinda suck with some animations. Much better game now that you see some "classic" melees. But I play pretty much with static r10 group. Turned my inquis into asassin and thf pally respectively.
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Synchrono Waterworks Kobold Offline I am not a noun, I am a VERB. Posts: 154 Location: In The Heart of Darkness Joined: May 30^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #23 - Mar 24^th, 2020 at 9:32pm	Print Post
	The THF animation changes they made to Mauls annoyed me. They looked like shit imo so I tr'd a toon out of that. I ended up LRing an old stick build that had been sitting and I like the changes Strikethrough made. It plays reasonably well but that style has never been top end dps but it got a decent boost based on my recollection of when I was playing it seriously. It's more than an acceptable flavor build really but I wouldn't drag it into an R10. The animation changes for Falchion/Great sword were ok ad I don't mind those too much, haven't looked at G.Axe yet though.


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Edrein Abbot Raider Offline Master of Melee Undead (Gimps) Posts: 994 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: How are you liking melee post-45? Reply #24 - Mar 25^th, 2020 at 8:01am	Print Post
	Synchrono wrote on Mar 24^th, 2020 at 9:32pm: The THF animation changes they made to Mauls annoyed me. They looked like shit imo so I tr'd a toon out of that. I ended up LRing an old stick build that had been sitting and I like the changes Strikethrough made. It plays reasonably well but that style has never been top end dps but it got a decent boost based on my recollection of when I was playing it seriously. It's more than an acceptable flavor build really but I wouldn't drag it into an R10. The animation changes for Falchion/Great sword were ok ad I don't mind those too much, haven't looked at G.Axe yet though. I was on a g-axe barb life for a good month before the update dropped. I was having fun at cap and definitely contributed to the party (though I was also visage of terror build, so obvious I had value outside of smacking things). After the update went live I felt like the combination of the new animations and the strikethrough deal was an immediate nerf to the build. Don't get me wrong I think strikethrough is an improvement over all for THF. But the animations cause you to lose DPS with certain weapons based on my experience.


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