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Reply #75 - Jun 24th, 2020 at 5:16pm
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If the devs want to do something, then they are going to do it regardless of the player-bases opinion on the matter.  The best we can do is prepare, hunker down and ride out the shit storm to calmer waters.
  
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Reply #76 - Jun 24th, 2020 at 5:30pm
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If most players did not buy preorder and held off buying feywild for a while would be an epic middle finger to ssg.
  
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Reply #77 - Jun 24th, 2020 at 6:16pm
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Skoodge wrote on Jun 24th, 2020 at 4:56pm:
How many examples of almost across the board negative feedback over changes that have been ignored in the past do you want?  Have you seriously forgotten who we're dealing with here?


palladin9479 wrote on Jun 24th, 2020 at 5:16pm:
If the devs want to do something, then they are going to do it regardless of the player-bases opinion on the matter.  The best we can do is prepare, hunker down and ride out the shit storm to calmer waters.


The mass protests don't work because they all happen after the fact. By the time something this shitty is formally announced, the devs have already done the work and will refuse to change it out of principle and because of sunk-cost falacy.

The reason this is different is because there hasn't be a serious amount of effort/man hours/coding time put into it yet.

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If most players did not buy pre-order and held off buying feywild for a while would be an epic middle finger to ssg.


By the time the xpac goes on sale is already way too late. The work is already done by then. The position is set in stone, and no amount of wallet-based voting will change it(jerry would rather let the game die than admit he was wrong.

The idea is: if we raise a huge shitstorm NOW, the devs can quietly slink away, retool the system, fix it at the design stage, and then come up with something that's not hot garbage, all without having to admit they were wrong and publicly redact a decision.

It all comes down to that key difference: got to protest BEFORE they've become invested in a bad idea, then not call them on it when they backpedal.
  

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Reply #78 - Jun 24th, 2020 at 7:53pm
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SSG probably has little to no respect for Jerry.
His opinion probably means little.
They might be nice to his face but he is not even a coder or really anything.
Maybe Sev can go stand by a monument at night and things will change.
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Reply #79 - Jun 24th, 2020 at 8:05pm
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I doubt SSG respects ANYONE very much, but they don't need to. It doesn't require them respecting fat jerry to notice "hey, the players seem pretty fucking upset about this shit" and come up with a less terrible plan.
  

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Reply #80 - Jun 24th, 2020 at 8:14pm
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The only thing I can recall that the players got to change was the resist shrines on guild ships.  They wanted to get rid of them and the players revolted, so they relented.  For a while.  Then they deleted them anyway.
  
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Reply #81 - Jun 24th, 2020 at 8:43pm
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Notanarc wrote on Jun 24th, 2020 at 8:14pm:
The only thing I can recall that the players got to change was the resist shrines on guild ships.  They wanted to get rid of them and the players revolted, so they relented.  For a while.  Then they deleted them anyway.
TR hearts and tokens, don't forget that one, that one has stayed.   To recall they were going to all but remove the ability to get the heart you needed to TR in game, it was going to be something you bought in the store or with either comms or heart seeds, I don't remember it that well.
  

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Reply #82 - Jun 24th, 2020 at 9:34pm
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Notanarc wrote on Jun 24th, 2020 at 8:14pm:
The only thing I can recall that the players got to change was the resist shrines on guild ships.  They wanted to get rid of them and the players revolted, so they relented.  For a while.  Then they deleted them anyway.


Other than a call out on a weird number here and there on look that was either ridiculously op or way underpowered the *ONLY* Significant thing I EVER saw them back off from say Lamania was that first abortion of an update to the Bank I think like 2012 or 2014ish that lasted on Lama for like 3 or 4 hours before they shut it off never to see the light of day again. The roar against it was one that lasted quite awhile on the mobo but the only thing that did was leave them to NOT touch it for several years.

I quit doing Lama stuff mostly because when they had it open on a weekend it ALWAYS seemed to be on one of the larger XP Boost bonus weekends and I would have to pick to use that or help them "ignore" everything we feed back to them.
  
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Reply #83 - Jun 25th, 2020 at 1:07am
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Synchrono wrote on Jun 24th, 2020 at 9:34pm:
Other than a call out on a weird number here and there on look that was either ridiculously op or way underpowered the *ONLY* Significant thing I EVER saw them back off from say Lamania was that first abortion of an update to the Bank I think like 2012 or 2014ish that lasted on Lama for like 3 or 4 hours before they shut it off never to see the light of day again. The roar against it was one that lasted quite awhile on the mobo but the only thing that did was leave them to NOT touch it for several years.

I quit doing Lama stuff mostly because when they had it open on a weekend it ALWAYS seemed to be on one of the larger XP Boost bonus weekends and I would have to pick to use that or help them "ignore" everything we feed back to them.


See but you're still letting stuff get as far as lama.

By the time it gets to lama, getting it un-done is like shoving a turd back up your ass after it's already sitting in the toilet bowl.

We need to get them to back down while they are still sitting at their desk, nibbling a bran muffin and thinking "I wonder which stall is the cleanest this time of day?"
  

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Reply #84 - Jun 25th, 2020 at 10:13pm
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So thinking about the system as explained/proposed so far.

If they gutted the spheres and the like as is. And revamped the system to run more like the Enchancement tree I'd be willing to hear them out.

However; it'd require the system being carte blanche. No limiting me to the 3 'primal' destinies to pick and choose from. I'd need to be able to drop points in all 9 trees indiscriminately as long as I had the AP to do it. I think a lot of people would get behind that as being able to take some flavor from say Fury and Fatesinger at the same time as a warchanter or EK would be great. Better than the twist system if I'm able to actually slot abilities from both destinies.

That being said I doubt that's what would happen and most likely we're just about to get a long overdue power-spike nerf that will destroy the game for 20-29 gameplay.
  
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Reply #85 - Jun 25th, 2020 at 10:16pm
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Reply #86 - Jun 26th, 2020 at 2:07am
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What do you get for points? 24 plus fate points?
  

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Reply #87 - Jun 26th, 2020 at 10:49am
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If it ain't broke......LETS BREAK IT!
  

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Reply #88 - Jun 26th, 2020 at 12:04pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 26th, 2020 at 2:07am:
What do you get for points? 24 plus fate points?


feels like they gonna do enhancement trees 2.0 for epics and EPLs will grant the equivalent of rAP to spend on your EDs
  

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Reply #89 - Jun 26th, 2020 at 3:14pm
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I'm wondering when they will post a fuller clarification, was hoping to see it before this weekend.
  
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Reply #90 - Jun 26th, 2020 at 3:36pm
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Will be a drasric change if it is gated like reaper trees.  Will be interesting to see how you'll have points from maxing out spheres if you don't have spheres.  I only have half the EPLs done, so is worrysome.  Guess twisting will be a thing of the past as well if the parallels are drawn to the reaper tree experience as well.  You'll just spend you available points willy nilly in whatever path you want.
  

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Reply #91 - Jun 26th, 2020 at 4:49pm
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TR changes.

They were going to get rid of hearts NOT introduce seeds and force you to farm thousands of Comms per life to TR if you didn't buy the heart in the store.
  

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Reply #92 - Jun 26th, 2020 at 4:51pm
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yawn...

SSG/Turbine usual.

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Reply #93 - Jun 26th, 2020 at 4:54pm
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Can't seem to edit my previous post.   it was in reply to this though

Skoodge wrote on Jun 24th, 2020 at 4:56pm:
How many examples of almost across the board negative feedback over changes that have been ignored in the past do you want?  Have you seriously forgotten who we're dealing with here?

I've been playing the game for just shy of a decade now and the only time I can think of that they actually listened to us was during the bridge protests (can't even remember what that one was about).
  

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Reply #94 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 9:40am
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Flav wrote on Jun 26th, 2020 at 4:51pm:
yawn...

SSG/Turbine usual.

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Reply #96 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 9:51am
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From the chats I had with SSG folks over the weekend I am pretty sure they are going to be adjusting things, whew!
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Reply #97 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 10:26am
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Bishop wrote on Jun 29th, 2020 at 9:51am:
From the chats I had with SSG folks over the weekend I am pretty sure they are going to be adjusting things, whew!
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Reply #98 - Jul 3rd, 2020 at 12:37am
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removing the karma requirements sounds like a good idea
  
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Reply #99 - Jul 3rd, 2020 at 9:18am
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goldgolem wrote on Jul 3rd, 2020 at 12:37am:
removing the karma requirements sounds like a good idea



Having to run in sub optimal destinies just to fill karma is one of the least fun things in this game.
  

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