With the permanent optional xp ransack, i cant do my usual daily routine to get to 30 anymore because stuff like wiz kings gets ransacked down to nothing.

I tried fitting in some quest chains on r1...the problem being that most of the epic quests are awful xp/min and very much not fun. If you have a caster that can either one shot a wave or come close to it, then its "okay" (if boring), but you still need to find a party for that in the first place.

I just spent several hours doing the GH saga on r1, 5-6 man party, mostly low damage builds, no fire sorc or anything like that. Average of 15 mins for 50-60k exp for most of the quests, not counting travel time. And the whole time I was thinking "i could be spending 10 mins on a relaxing EN spies that gives 100k+ exp with zero effort involved..."

And fuck running in the underdark or demon web when doing the quests there.

Only other alternative i can think of is to shell out money for slayer pots, which seems to be a popular option ever since the perm optional xp ransack change.

The first 4 runs of spies, von 3, etc each life are fine. Its when the ransack starts kicking in then leveling gets really painful. 15 mins or more for 50-60k xp is seriously bad in comparison.

Von 1-4 on r1 is okay with a large party, mostly because von 3 gives massive exp on r1.

Catacombs r1 is low xp but has some decent loot. The one with 200 skeletons is even worse than the heroic version with the massive hp on r1 though.

Borderlands has nice loot and is fast, low xp though.

GH saga seriously isnt worth it, heroic version has very low hp mobs for the level and is fast xp, but most of the quests are 10-15 mins for 50-60k. Bad.

Offering of Blood/Wiz King is good. Not worth running to Chains of Flame though.

Red Fens and sentinels of stormreach looks like another bunch of bad 50-60k xp quests.

Phiarlan carnival is even worse. Does anyone even like this pack? Everyone I know wont touch it after they got the items they want from it.

>I have no dps waaaaah

Flav wrote on Jul 19^th, 2020 at 3:49am:


It means exactly what it says on the tin. After 10 or so repetitions in one life, you get zero xp for that optional until you reincarnate.

[some shit] wrote on Jul 19^th, 2020 at 2:43am:


Not all builds have access to something like meteor to 1-2 shot an entire wave of mobs. A party with 5 melee/healers or random builds like Bow AA Ranger is always going to clear slower than a single fire sorc till you start doing high reaper.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jul 19^th, 2020 at 4:49am:


Ah, it's not a ransack... it's the multiple quest repetition penalty.
there's more than enough quests now that you shouldn't be bothered by it.... now in the early days... things like Giant Caves ( side thing in Threnal that took 1 minute for 2 LVL 9 chests when the cap was 10/12... Since it was over performing it has been nerfed into oblivion long ago ) or Shroud... after a while they were done just for loot and giggles.

ES challanges are great EXP/MIN, first time bonus only.
if you are doing more than 2 Epic lives before a TR, i would invest in a slayer pot and jump on the bandwagon..

ManyCookies wrote on Jul 18^th, 2020 at 3:06pm:


Running the eTR hamster cycle I see? At this point, if I were you, I would buy epic XP stones and be done with it in a matter of weeks without having to put up with shitty quests,  optional xp ransack and other pay-wall grind Turbine has created. They do not cost much, check out the pricing somewhere here 

Hardcore_Girl wrote on Jul 21^st, 2020 at 11:08am:


Not really, i usually do 2 epic lives per 1 non-iconic life. By epic xp stones you mean ottos?

GimpyPaw wrote on Jul 21^st, 2020 at 10:44am:



Yes, if you have players in good gear and meta builds (fire sorc, etc).

When I did the GH saga, it was averaging 15 mins for the walkups. People in a mix of heroic gear and random level 20-24 gear usually clear mobs very slowly, especially if they are something like an AA ranger bow build.

GimpyPaw wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2020 at 12:56pm:


Uh, I was not referring to crucible specifically. The main thing slowing down epic runs on r1 is the ability to clear 6-8k hp mobs quickly. If the party has low dps and no good AOE, it will take a long time.

Again, nothing to do with getting stuck in crucible's maze. This is a general issue with epic quests.

GimpyPaw wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2020 at 12:56pm:


If you know what you're doing and have a pet/hireling at hand it can even be one manned.
the difficulty is to target the I lever so that you can tell the pet/drone to use it once it's parked there.

Rickyretardo wrote on Jul 25^th, 2020 at 8:29am:


Yea, I try to build for DPS, but theres a huge gap in how fast an AOE caster can clear compared to "regular" builds. At the moment im working on ranger lives, and tempest seems the least painful way to do that, but even with drow scimitars, beating on those 6-8k hp mobs in low epic quests on r1 takes a long time.

Bes that I have managed to do is try to time it so that I do all the level 22+ quests at level 26+ where I can use some of the level 26 raid gear, theres a huge difference at that point. But 20-25 is painful when running stuff on r1.

ManyCookies wrote on Jul 21^st, 2020 at 1:54pm:

Idk what to tell you, either your build sucks or your gameplay sucks.
Atm on my barbie: Trial by fury 150k in 7 mins, Druid Curse 150k in 10 mins. Two Toed Tobias is 150k in 9 mins.
GH is TBF 100k 6 mins. Tor is 140k in 12 mins, Cry is 120k in 11 mins. Feast 110k in 7 mins. Madstone is 170k in 15 mins but duo.

And that's "normal' relaxing solo play. Pretty good gear but nothing special.
Barbie, Pally, Tempest, whatever build works. Okay Sharn and Ravenloft I'd do on 29 but old shit is super trivial.

But then again, people think that getting 550 more lives will magically teach them how not to suck.