I've got 300 unique filigrees in stacks as large as 20. I don't know if uncommons are supposed to exist but from what I can tell they only come in common and rare, and at 300+ different ones I cannot be assed to learn which are valuable and which aren't.

This is what I'm talking about when I say "SSG fails at having an economy": they create 300 distinct objects, 5 of them are worth a fortune and 295 are so numerous as to be completely worthless. I can't take 5 common filigree and trade/sell them for an uncommon, and so on until I get the rare. The only option is pay $$ or farm until it drops for me.

Head-Meat wrote on Aug 18^th, 2020 at 6:02pm:


WoW had actually economists on staff to help them build and design systems that would let players grind for money. So for example, I could go kill things for cotton cloth, and then craft that into bolts of cotton. And since cotton bandages were a thing, there was a constant demand for it.

Farmed item --> crafted item --> consumed item --> demand for for farmed item

Doesn't mean you didn't have to work for it, but the point being: all I had to know was "farm cloth, craft bolts, sell bolts". I didn't need any apps or spreadsheets or elaborate knowledge of which bolts were worth money and which were vendor trash. They all had value thanks to the nature of the game.

So I could, hypothetically, so next door to the human starting area, find a rapid spawn point, grind for weeks, and buy the most expensive item on the AH just by selling crafted bolts of cloth to other players.

DDO, if you want to make any "money"(shards) you have to have super special secret knowledge of which items sell, then grind intensely for them day and night until 1 drops because its only insanely rare items that have value.

Its frustrating, is my point.

And yeah, I too found WoW too trinity-oriented and cartoony. I played a lot around release and for the next year and a half. The big problem was no customization - or, not none, just "none allowed". If you weren't playing the single best build you weren't welcome in pugs.

I think thats why I like DDO so much - its about as polar-opposite as you can get, to the point where we could argue for years about the "best build" and never agree.

I want DDO deep, complex multi-classing, WoW/Wildstar's crafting system, and Asheron Call's massive open-world system, all in one game.

Is that too much to ask?

Head-Meat wrote on Aug 18^th, 2020 at 8:28pm:

Why would they respond?

If they're trying to catch some folks in the act, there's no way they'd tell us they're doing "something" about it.

They also wouldn't tell us they weren't doing something about it for obvious reasons.

noamineo wrote on Aug 18^th, 2020 at 8:47pm:



Yep. Several IB4L at beginning..

Head-Meat wrote on Aug 18^th, 2020 at 8:57pm:


This should be applied to all message boards, matching past behaviors.

Specifically when ethically-challenged folks are running amuck imitating another user.

Might be worth looking into before speculating someone committed a cyber crime. Hmm?   Deleting another user's data is probably a no-no.   And I no no do it.

Pending where the server is hosted if not in Strake's basement, a California-based company would have the CDAFA backing them in this regard.

And again, not my cup of tea.  Someone else is deleting folks's shit on this forum, including my own pictures.

Kistilan wrote on Aug 18^th, 2020 at 9:02pm:

Kristy's PM's where he claims credit can be found here:

http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1597726532/12#12

Technomage wrote on Aug 18^th, 2020 at 8:31pm:


Because its like customer service 101 to say something like "We appreciate the reports of blah blah blah and want to assure you that we are investigating them seriously and will make further announcements when we have more information".

Then again, SSG doesnt seem very good at stuff like that...

For those of you playing along in our home game: it is VERY hard to get banned from the Vault. Kissy joins the ranks of just 3 people who have succeeded.

doyourealyknow wrote on Aug 19^th, 2020 at 7:18pm:


YOU WANT DRAMA, BITCH? I WILL FUCKING GIVE YOU DRAMAMA!!!!!

Too much? It was a serious question, though.

We're our own special little island of insanity.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Aug 19^th, 2020 at 7:31pm:


You will have to buy me dinner first, for both cultural and practical reasons.

Dragonborn wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 11:38pm:



Did the toon name include "Kist" or "Dark"?