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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Aug 26^th, 2020 at 2:20pm	Print Post
	https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/517566-U47-Preview-2-New-Universal-Enh... Feydark Illusionist gives you the ability to get Charisma to Hit and Damage for about the same investment as it takes to get Int on the harpers tree. Fucking. Finally.

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #1 - Aug 26^th, 2020 at 2:24pm	Print Post
	(Yes, I am aware PDKs have cha-hit/damage, are you aware PDKs are ugly as fuck?)

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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3481 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #2 - Aug 26^th, 2020 at 2:48pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 2:24pm: (Yes, I am aware PDKs have cha-hit/damage, are you aware PDKs are ugly as fuck?) Bards across the globe can finally rejoice!


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #3 - Aug 26^th, 2020 at 3:17pm	Print Post
	The other option was to graphically re-design the PDK and turn the "Ugly" slider down several notches, but honestly this is a lot better. I feel like a lot of players will be thrilled.

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Goon Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 64 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2014	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #4 - Aug 26^th, 2020 at 3:40pm	Print Post
	It requires the feat "Magical Training" for the first Core, and is a T1 and T2 enhancement; contrast with Harper which is a T1 and T3 with no feat requirement for INT to-hit/damage. At least it is an option, now, instead of being solely PDK or FvS.


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Artorias Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1212 Joined: Mar 21^st, 2015	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #5 - Aug 26^th, 2020 at 3:43pm	Print Post
	It also helps sorc EK too. One of the reason (if not THE reason) they were never a thing was because of the inability to use their main ability stat for casting, hitting and damaging like wizzies could. Now you don't even need to be forced in a class level or race. Soooooooooooo, what's next? Constitution to hit and damage without needing to be dwarf? In all honesty I was afraid that this new tree would be another inquisitive power creep fest but it looks fairly normal and the 5th tier is pretty much a blade barrier that saves on will. Interesting


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Goon Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 64 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2014	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #6 - Aug 26^th, 2020 at 3:46pm	Print Post
	With DEX to-hit/damage being fairly prevalent in several classes/enhancements, INT/WIS/CHA to-hit/damage available via universal enhancements, all that remains is to make CON to-hit/damage more accessibly instead of just being a Dwarf thing. Maybe make an enhancement for STR to replace INT/WIS/CHA for spell DCs? See how far down the musical chairs hole it goes?


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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9362 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #7 - Aug 26^th, 2020 at 3:48pm	Print Post
	Artorias wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 3:43pm: Soooooooooooo, what's next? Constitution to hit and damage without needing to be dwarf? Yes.

	Smrti wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 3:00pm: Gunga is the best.
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Justanotherlurker Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 384 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2014	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #8 - Aug 26^th, 2020 at 3:55pm	Print Post
	Next thing is dex based trance


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #9 - Aug 26^th, 2020 at 4:01pm	Print Post
	Goon wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 3:40pm: It requires the feat "Magical Training" for the first Core, and is a T1 and T2 enhancement; contrast with Harper which is a T1 and T3 with no feat requirement for INT to-hit/damage. At least it is an option, now, instead of being solely PDK or FvS. Well consider: "Magical Training is automatically granted the first time that a character gains a level in any of the following classes: Alchemist, Artificer, Cleric, Druid, Favored Soul, Sorcerer, Warlock or Wizard." - so most of the base/splash classes you would want to USE it on already get it for free. The only other classes that might want it are paladin, barbarian(iffy), and bard; and who the hell plays a pure bard? Of those 3, two are spellcasters and can benefit from the extra 80 MP, and even IF you wanted to play a pure CHA-based Barbarian, chances are you are looking to use Cocoon for self-healing, so while Magical Training is not optimal, its also not a waste. I mean I'm open to a discussion, here: can anyone really think of a scenario where you want to make use of this tree and can't reap at least some benefit from Magical Training? So Yeah its not strictly "As good" as Harpers; but i'm also hard-pressed to think of a build that uses harpers and doesn't already have Magical Training. Then again, an int-based barbarian would be funny.

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Goon Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 64 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2014	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #10 - Aug 26^th, 2020 at 5:41pm	Print Post
	Well, melee already essentially have 5 must-have Heroic feats (3 combat style feats, Improved Critical, and either Power Attach or Precision), and you only get 6 standard Heroic feats sub-Level 20. The Bard is likely going to splash, and a Charisma Barbarian seems like an odd choice, so Paladins are probably going to be the only class that needs to make a hard choice whether or not to get Magical Training. Bladeforged would need to sacrifice their Body feat, or splash and sacrifice KotC capstone.


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Edrein Shroud Slacker Offline Master of Melee Undead (Gimps) Posts: 1001 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #11 - Aug 26^th, 2020 at 9:28pm	Print Post
	Artorias wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 3:43pm: It also helps sorc EK too. One of the reason (if not THE reason) they were never a thing was because of the inability to use their main ability stat for casting, hitting and damaging like wizzies could. Now you don't even need to be forced in a class level or race. Soooooooooooo, what's next? Constitution to hit and damage without needing to be dwarf? In all honesty I was afraid that this new tree would be another inquisitive power creep fest but it looks fairly normal and the 5th tier is pretty much a blade barrier that saves on will. Interesting No self sustain/healing was the biggest limiter against sorc EKs.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #12 - Aug 26^th, 2020 at 10:07pm	Print Post
	Edrein wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 9:28pm: No self sustain/healing was the biggest limiter against sorc EKs. WF/BF Sorc EK, problem solved. You can get 0% ASF even in adamantine body.

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Edrein Shroud Slacker Offline Master of Melee Undead (Gimps) Posts: 1001 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #13 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 3:39am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 10:07pm: WF/BF Sorc EK, problem solved. You can get 0% ASF even in adamantine body. I mean I guess? I'd rather suck an exhaust port than play a robot though.


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somenewnoob Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 751 Joined: Mar 10^th, 2016	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #14 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 10:30am	Print Post
	Finally my bard won't have to look like a kid with downs syndrome.

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #15 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 11:33am	Print Post
	Edrein wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 3:39am: I mean I guess? I'd rather suck an exhaust port than play a robot though. Well how badly did you want to play a sorc EK? They weren't exactly going to be top-tier to begin with

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #16 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 11:37am	Print Post
	somenewnoob wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 10:30am: Finally my bard won't have to look like a kid with downs syndrome. I'm thinking I'll TR my PDK icebard into a dragonborn! They get CHA bonuses and are waaaaaaay more fuckable!

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the_biggest_dog Waterworks Kobold Offline fuck Posts: 123 Joined: Mar 7^th, 2019	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #17 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 11:57am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 11:37am: I'm thinking I'll TR my PDK icebard into a dragonborn! They get CHA bonuses and are waaaaaaay more fuckable! scalie confirmed, omw to pound that sweet dragonbooty

	Rubbinns wrote on Oct 31^st, 2020 at 7:26pm: pretty dope shit. congratz. i take it back. al ca mist
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somenewnoob Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 751 Joined: Mar 10^th, 2016	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #18 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 11:58am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 11:37am: I'm thinking I'll TR my PDK icebard into a dragonborn! They get CHA bonuses and are waaaaaaay more fuckable! PDK's are fuckable.......if you're into that sort of thing. I don't judge.

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #19 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 12:04pm	Print Post
	the_biggest_dog wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 11:57am: scalie confirmed, omw to pound that sweet dragonbooty https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/554813323108155402/748571750304055307/liz... Well the real question is: do I have a dragon fetish, or are PDKs just THAT ugly? Think about it.

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Edrein Shroud Slacker Offline Master of Melee Undead (Gimps) Posts: 1001 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #20 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 3:20pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 11:33am: Well how badly did you want to play a sorc EK? They weren't exactly going to be top-tier to begin with PDK, Tiefling, Dragonboring, memeing as an aasimar with the druid PL with flameblade... I knocked out a few EPLs while testing various race combos for pure sorc EKs back in the day. At this point my hatred of WF is more tied to the fact I refuse to further clog up my TR cache/bank with docents.


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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #21 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 3:27pm	Print Post
	Edrein wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 3:20pm: PDK, Tiefling, Dragonboring, memeing as an aasimar with the druid PL with flameblade... I knocked out a few EPLs while testing various race combos for pure sorc EKs back in the day. At this point my hatred of WF is more tied to the fact I refuse to further clog up my TR cache/bank with docents. Yep. I have exactly 3 docents in my armor mule. Blademark’s docent, Memory of Fine Regalia, and Enigma Core. I don’t think I’ll run another toaster life ever, but if I do, it’s just for the racial past life.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #22 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 3:35pm	Print Post
	See for me the reconstruct SLA was everything. Bladeforged let me play a lot of things I'd never have touched otherwise. I think of my 25 heroic lives about 9 of them were BF.

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Edrein Shroud Slacker Offline Master of Melee Undead (Gimps) Posts: 1001 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #23 - Aug 28^th, 2020 at 12:28am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 3:35pm: See for me the reconstruct SLA was everything. Bladeforged let me play a lot of things I'd never have touched otherwise. I think of my 25 heroic lives about 9 of them were BF. I feel that way towards Aasimar. You can't fuck up anything on an aasimar technically speaking. Well, you could but you'd have to truly be intentionally trying to sabotage yourself.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: FINALLY cha-to-hit/damage Reply #24 - Aug 28^th, 2020 at 11:51am	Print Post
	Edrein wrote on Aug 28^th, 2020 at 12:28am: I feel that way towards Aasimar. You can't fuck up anything on an aasimar technically speaking. Well, you could but you'd have to truly be intentionally trying to sabotage yourself. I'm playing Aasimar right now and enjoying it quite a bit. That might even just be a better choice for a Cha-based sorc EK(though self healing will be a bit hard). I'd had an Aasimar FvS before and it was fun if ineffectual. I think they are becoming my second favorite race behind BF.

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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