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higgildypiggildy Stormreaver Piker Offline I just mock the world Posts: 660 Joined: Dec 8^th, 2011	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #25 - Oct 11^th, 2020 at 10:15am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Oct 11^th, 2020 at 3:47am: Then my computer shat itself and I lost the spreadsheet. So the moral of this story, kids: don't use RAID0. No the moral of the story is always maintain up to date backups. Without a backup you don't have anything

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Artorias Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1213 Joined: Mar 21^st, 2015	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #26 - Oct 11^th, 2020 at 10:54am	Print Post
	AAH wrote on Oct 11^th, 2020 at 9:40am: I believe it. I've barked many times on the forum about drop rates and presented evidence too but got pretty much the same types of responses. I have posted a mathematical formula here on this forum to calculate the success percentage from multiple pulls, repeated tests until the success rate (of pulling a named) was supposed to be around 97% and failed multiple times. The drop rate for named items is NOT 33% I know you could fail a check with 97% success rate but when it happens multiple times in a row, well, the most idiotic, retarded, uneducated fuck on earth is authorized to shoot kittens in the street and get away with it. Also, even a 33% chance of getting a named items when the loot table has several items, leads to a potential gargantuan grind. Not saying I want everything spoon fed to me but give me a fucking way of getting that goddamn piece of gear after I farmed the fucking quest over 50 times between EE and reaper 4 (true story for me and many others)


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Snu Snu Shroud Slacker Offline Drama is boring Posts: 1045 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2012	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #27 - Oct 11^th, 2020 at 11:23am	Print Post
	Those vaultofkundarak guys listed some drop rates. It seems they got it from the client data. 33% might be true but since you get 5 items on that list, it will take a time if you get the one with the lowest singel drop rate.

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SirValentine Korthos Resident Offline Never. Posts: 89 Joined: Jan 11^th, 2014	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #28 - Oct 11^th, 2020 at 3:41pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Oct 9^th, 2020 at 7:45pm: The raid rune system is fantastic. You can't get tomes with raid runes. Until you can, so far as I'm concerned, the runes are a step backwards from 20th-completion end reward lists.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9012 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #29 - Oct 11^th, 2020 at 6:33pm	Print Post
	Artorias wrote on Oct 11^th, 2020 at 10:54am: I have posted a mathematical formula here on this forum to calculate the success percentage from multiple pulls, repeated tests until the success rate (of pulling a named) was supposed to be around 97% and failed multiple times. The drop rate for named items is NOT 33% I know you could fail a check with 97% success rate but when it happens multiple times in a row, well, the most idiotic, retarded, uneducated fuck on earth is authorized to shoot kittens in the street and get away with it. Also, even a 33% chance of getting a named items when the loot table has several items, leads to a potential gargantuan grind. Not saying I want everything spoon fed to me but give me a fucking way of getting that goddamn piece of gear after I farmed the fucking quest over 50 times between EE and reaper 4 (true story for me and many others) ^This. Yeah, I have a really tough time with the disconnect the idiots of the forums have. Yes, it is technically feasible for someone to do 100 chest pulls on EE and not see a single named item, the laws of probability do allow for such an outcome. However, if MANY people are reporting the same outcome MANY TIMES, than that clearly means the laws of probability are not working correctly. Yet the motherboard paladins would apparently rather believe that they are drawing nothing but straight flushes while the rest of us can't even get two pair, and yet somehow the deck is not stacked.

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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #30 - Oct 11^th, 2020 at 8:40pm	Print Post
	Snu Snu wrote on Oct 11^th, 2020 at 11:23am: Those vaultofkundarak guys listed some drop rates. Who? Where?

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9012 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #31 - Oct 11^th, 2020 at 10:14pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Oct 11^th, 2020 at 8:40pm: Who? Where? Why? How?

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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AAH DQ Assaulter Offline SSG .. making shit a reality. Posts: 442 Location: Australia Joined: Jul 29^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #32 - Oct 12^th, 2020 at 1:49am	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Oct 11^th, 2020 at 8:40pm: Who? Where? noamineo wrote on Oct 11^th, 2020 at 10:14pm: Why? How? Those just put this in my head so now YOU MUST SUFFER THE SAME FATE.

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9012 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #33 - Oct 12^th, 2020 at 1:13pm	Print Post
	AAH wrote on Oct 12^th, 2020 at 1:49am: Those just put this in my head My work here is done.

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Snu Snu Shroud Slacker Offline Drama is boring Posts: 1045 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2012	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #34 - Oct 12^th, 2020 at 8:06pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Oct 11^th, 2020 at 8:40pm: Who? Where?

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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #35 - Oct 12^th, 2020 at 8:36pm	Print Post
	Anybody know what the chances of reaper bonus are on various items? (Especially helms)


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9012 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #36 - Oct 12^th, 2020 at 8:48pm	Print Post
	Snu Snu wrote on Oct 12^th, 2020 at 8:06pm: https://i.postimg.cc/kGRxGBNx/droprate.png Where is this detailed description in the second part of that screenshot found?

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #37 - Oct 12^th, 2020 at 10:40pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Oct 12^th, 2020 at 8:48pm: Where is this detailed description in the second part of that screenshot found? https://vaultofkundarak.com/item/Black_Opal_Bracers

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9012 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #38 - Oct 13^th, 2020 at 1:03pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Oct 12^th, 2020 at 10:40pm: https://vaultofkundarak.com/item/Black_Opal_Bracers Oh so thats from their website, not visible in game? Ok. Yeah, those rates are definitely much more in line with what I'm actually seeing. Ok this is updated with Sharn loot, why is this site not better known on the motherboards?! WHY IS IT NOT BETTER KNOWN HERE?!?!

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #39 - Oct 13^th, 2020 at 1:42pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Oct 13^th, 2020 at 1:03pm: Oh so thats from their website, not visible in game? Ok. Yeah, those rates are definitely much more in line with what I'm actually seeing. Ok this is updated with Sharn loot, why is this site not better known on the motherboards?! WHY IS IT NOT BETTER KNOWN HERE?!?! Anyone who posted their work on the DDO Forums would likely get banned. Rodrak, who originally delved into the DDO client to expose the drop rates several years ago got a temp ban. Turbine justified it by saying that taking apart the code in order to get the drop rates violated the DDO User agreement. Posting this kind of info on the DDO Forums would likely be a similar violation. As to why this is the first time this precise information from that Vault of Kundarak website was posted here on the Vault, I can't tell you. That was the first time I ever saw it. Had I known about it, I've posted it here LONG ago.

	Do not try the patience of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger. We are dreamers, shapers, singers, and makers. We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, crystal and scanner, holographic demons and invocation of equations. These are the tools we employ, and we know many things. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9012 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #40 - Oct 13^th, 2020 at 2:39pm	Print Post
	Well the obvious answer is post on a friday evening on a sock account. Let the sock get banned, but it'll be up there a full weekend.

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Justanotherlurker Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 384 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2014	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #41 - Oct 13^th, 2020 at 2:40pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Oct 13^th, 2020 at 1:03pm: Yeah, those rates are definitely much more in line with what I'm actually seeing. 2 items drop in that chest both with 16% drop rate = 32% chance for a named item...


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Charon Ex Member	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #42 - Oct 13^th, 2020 at 7:12pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Oct 13^th, 2020 at 2:39pm: Well the obvious answer is post on a friday evening on a sock account. Let the sock get banned, but it'll be up there a full weekend. So you just volunteered. That's how this works.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9012 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #43 - Oct 13^th, 2020 at 9:46pm	Print Post
	Quote: So you just volunteered. That's how this works. Just wait till friday for the unmasking of my latest forum sock!!

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #44 - Oct 14^th, 2020 at 11:11pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Oct 12^th, 2020 at 10:40pm: https://vaultofkundarak.com/item/Black_Opal_Bracers That is a neat site. I hope that they fill out the drop rates on more items.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #45 - Oct 16^th, 2020 at 7:08am	Print Post
	Anyway if my universal dice weight theory is correct, that explains why everyone agrees that one item is the clear rare drop (looking at you Family Recruit Sigil) in a big list even when we look into the code and see that they are listed as roughly the same %. Because the loot roll to see what you get (after the roll to see if you get named loot) is a d100, and each named item is assigned a number range (1-16, 17-34, etc) if every roll is automatically weighted and it is actually rolling E.G. d90+10, then whichever item is assigned the bottom numbers gets the shaft because you can't roll under 11 so that item is only 6-7% while all the others are 16-17%. Or if it's something like 5d20 instead of d100 then both the top and the bottom get hosed (but the bottom gets hosed more) because the middle numbers are most likely.

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9012 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #46 - Oct 16^th, 2020 at 6:47pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 16^th, 2020 at 7:08am: Anyway if my universal dice weight theory is correct, that explains why everyone agrees that one item is the clear rare drop (looking at you Family Recruit Sigil) in a big list even when we look into the code and see that they are listed as roughly the same %. Because the loot roll to see what you get (after the roll to see if you get named loot) is a d100, and each named item is assigned a number range (1-16, 17-34, etc) if every roll is automatically weighted and it is actually rolling E.G. d90+10, then whichever item is assigned the bottom numbers gets the shaft because you can't roll under 11 so that item is only 6-7% while all the others are 16-17%. Or if it's something like 5d20 instead of d100 then both the top and the bottom get hosed (but the bottom gets hosed more) because the middle numbers are most likely. That seems to be the likely culprit. It also fits with my theory since averaged out over hundreds of thousands of chest-pulls it won't look that far off. The clear discrepancy is only visible from the perspective of a player.

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Morrikan Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 25 Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2020	Re: Kind of funny/kind of sad Reply #47 - Aug 12^th, 2021 at 10:10am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 16^th, 2020 at 7:08am: Because the loot roll to see what you get (after the roll to see if you get named loot) is a d100, and each named item is assigned a number range (1-16, 17-34, etc) if every roll is automatically weighted and it is actually rolling E.G. d90+10, then whichever item is assigned the bottom numbers gets the shaft because you can't roll under 11 so that item is only 6-7% while all the others are 16-17%. Or if it's something like 5d20 instead of d100 then both the top and the bottom get hosed (but the bottom gets hosed more) because the middle numbers are most likely. The loot tables that have the individually named items (that I have manually inspected) never have the "+10" modifiers possibilities (from potions / buffs / world bonuses / etc) that I do see on the "do you get something or not" tables. Fwiw.


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