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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Set Augment Questions Nov 19^th, 2020 at 5:16pm	Print Post
	Ok, since the wiki isn't being updated and the lamania discussion is.... well everything that's wrong with the motherboards... So, let's say you craft a: Perfect Silence * Ingredients Required to Craft: 50 Threads of Fate, 1 Empty Soul Vessel, 1 Vestments of Ravenloft * Minimum Level: 30 * Binding: Bound to Account * 3-Piece Set Bonus: +3 Artifact Bonus to Sneak Attack Dice All lamaland says is: Quote: Slotting one of these augments into an item that already has a set bonus will cause that set bonus to be suppressed and replaced (so long as this augment remains slotted in that item) with the set bonus listed on the augment. (Note: These can be slotted into items that don't have set bonuses as well) So.... what, does that mean if you slot that into say a cannith crafted ring, do you just get that bonus, do you need the other 2 pieces of the set to get the bonus, How do these things work? I'm not terribly inclined to try and make one until some information on how they work is made clear.

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phoenix Waterworks Kobold Offline Thelanis server Posts: 147 Location: Bulgaria Joined: Nov 12^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Set Augment Questions Reply #1 - Nov 19^th, 2020 at 5:28pm	Print Post
	As far as I know, you need to have 3 vestments of ravenloft to get 3 of the same augments, and you need to slot an augment in 3 different items. Those 3 items will get the set bonus flag, and having 3 of them will enable the set bonus. That's at least how I understood it. I like the idea of needing a raid item for it, but not 3 of the same. That's bad design imo.


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Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Poetry! Posts: 605 Location: Section ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Joined: Jun 21^st, 2020	Re: Set Augment Questions Reply #2 - Nov 19^th, 2020 at 5:40pm	Print Post
	Yeah, they're essentially forcing you to completely waste two augment slots because you have to slot three identical turds to get a meh-level set bonus. It's like they've got crash helmeted, acid dropping, shit flinging screech monkeys coming up with this wacky shit because it makes zero fucking sense whatsoever.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Set Augment Questions Reply #3 - Nov 19^th, 2020 at 5:51pm	Print Post
	phoenix wrote on Nov 19^th, 2020 at 5:28pm: As far as I know, you need to have 3 vestments of ravenloft to get 3 of the same augments, and you need to slot an augment in 3 different items. Those 3 items will get the set bonus flag, and having 3 of them will enable the set bonus. ...seriously? Dear god that's a fucking hot garbage system. Who the fuck thought that was a good idea? Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz wrote on Nov 19^th, 2020 at 5:40pm: It's like they've got crash helmeted, acid dropping, shit flinging screech monkeys coming up with this wacky shit because it makes zero fucking sense whatsoever. Oh. Right. But seriously, that's fucking garbage. Its like the ONLY people this system was designed for are the privileged few who raid 3 times a night and were bitching about having "9,000 of every raid rune". I have hardly any raid gear and was hoping this system would let me put at least some of it into service. Guess-fucking-not.

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Head-Meat 57%Misunderstood53%Moron Offline Subtle. I know. Posts: 9242 Joined: Nov 11^th, 2016	Re: Set Augment Questions Reply #4 - Nov 19^th, 2020 at 8:52pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Nov 19^th, 2020 at 5:51pm: ...seriously? Dear god that's a fucking hot garbage system. Who the fuck thought that was a good idea? Oh. Right. But seriously, that's fucking garbage. Its like the ONLY people this system was designed for are the privileged few who raid 3 times a night and were bitching about having "9,000 of every raid rune". I have hardly any raid gear and was hoping this system would let me put at least some of it into service. Guess-fucking-not. In THEORY the SYSTEM can make older raids relevant. But, the existing augs are... not exciting.

	Strake wrote on Mar 31^st, 2020 at 1:51pm: Like every group, there are schlubs and there are stars, and a lot in between. Pick your cause and I can say the same thing about the associated group. Gunga wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 2:27am: Bitcoin. lul --Who is luling in March 2025? Proud FORCCer
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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Set Augment Questions Reply #5 - Nov 19^th, 2020 at 9:05pm	Print Post
	Head-Meat wrote on Nov 19^th, 2020 at 8:52pm: In THEORY the SYSTEM can make older raids relevant. But, the existing augs are... not exciting. Hmm, let's see. Odds of pulling 3x of the same item? As close to 0 as makes no odds. ~64 raid runs /run X 1250 runs per item X fucking 3 items = 58 runs. To get a "meh" set bonus. Yeah, that is on-brand for SSG. The only know 3 ways to give things to players: gigantic grind, paywall, or obscenely low drop-rate.

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Head-Meat 57%Misunderstood53%Moron Offline Subtle. I know. Posts: 9242 Joined: Nov 11^th, 2016	Re: Set Augment Questions Reply #6 - Nov 19^th, 2020 at 11:11pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Nov 19^th, 2020 at 9:05pm: Hmm, let's see. Odds of pulling 3x of the same item? As close to 0 as makes no odds. ~64 raid runs /run X 1250 runs per item X fucking 3 items = 58 runs. To get a "meh" set bonus. Yeah, that is on-brand for SSG. The only know 3 ways to give things to players: gigantic grind, paywall, or obscenely low drop-rate. On Norm. Incentive to push difficulties. Half as many runs on leet, for example. Just sayin'

	Strake wrote on Mar 31^st, 2020 at 1:51pm: Like every group, there are schlubs and there are stars, and a lot in between. Pick your cause and I can say the same thing about the associated group. Gunga wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 2:27am: Bitcoin. lul --Who is luling in March 2025? Proud FORCCer
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Doogy Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 16 Joined: May 22^nd, 2020	Re: Set Augment Questions Reply #7 - Nov 20^th, 2020 at 4:44am	Print Post
	or an easy grab if you already have loads of runes from completing the previous raids and have them banked


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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Set Augment Questions Reply #8 - Nov 20^th, 2020 at 7:08am	Print Post
	That "meh" set bonus stacks on top of whatever you already have. I like the idea of a small increase in power that 99% of the game's players can ignore coming with a huge cost. Give the grinders something to grind for that feels like advancement but which can easily be ignored if you don't want to grind. That's excellent design in my opinion. Now they just need to flip the order of bonuses on Racial Past Lives and they'll have power progression set up a lot better than it is now. 20% of the work should get you 80% of the power and the last little bit of power should be what needs the grind.


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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Set Augment Questions Reply #9 - Nov 20^th, 2020 at 7:19am	Print Post
	(unfortunately, duping means that this grind won't actually be a grind for some people, but it's still trying to move in the right direction IMHO)


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Farmer Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Dharma! Posts: 117 Joined: Aug 26^th, 2016	Re: Set Augment Questions Reply #10 - Nov 20^th, 2020 at 12:25pm	Print Post
	NOTpopejubal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2020 at 7:08am: That "meh" set bonus stacks on top of whatever you already have. Are you sure? Most of them artifact bonuses like RL/Sharn sets. Do artifact bonuses stack? "With Update 17, many previously untyped bonuses have been typed as artifact bonus and thus they no longer stack with each other."


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Set Augment Questions Reply #11 - Nov 20^th, 2020 at 1:21pm	Print Post
	Artifact bonuses do not stack with each other.

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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Set Augment Questions Reply #12 - Nov 20^th, 2020 at 1:36pm	Print Post
	Farmer wrote on Nov 20^th, 2020 at 12:25pm: Are you sure? Most of them artifact bonuses like RL/Sharn sets. Do artifact bonuses stack? "With Update 17, many previously untyped bonuses have been typed as artifact bonus and thus they no longer stack with each other." Sorry, I phrased poorly. I meant that they stack with what you have now because you'll be adding set bonuses that aren't already in your existing gear. Like if you don't have a +Sneak Attack bonus in your set bonuses already, then you can add that and it will stack with your non-set-bonus sneak attack gear.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Set Augment Questions Reply #13 - Nov 20^th, 2020 at 3:01pm	Print Post
	Head-Meat wrote on Nov 19^th, 2020 at 11:11pm: Half as many runs on leet, for example. Just sayin' Ooooh, 29 runs! Sooooooo much better! (the sarcasm check on that statement is 2)

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Head-Meat 57%Misunderstood53%Moron Offline Subtle. I know. Posts: 9242 Joined: Nov 11^th, 2016	Re: Set Augment Questions Reply #14 - Nov 20^th, 2020 at 3:45pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Nov 20^th, 2020 at 3:01pm: Ooooh, 29 runs! Sooooooo much better! (the sarcasm check on that statement is 2) I raid quite a bit. So, it doesn't feel AS bad. We have a group that runs a raid train on Wed & Sat. Right now we always do THTH, PN, VOD, MA, and LoB, and usually Shroud after. Several days a week members of that group will pop a timer for other runs too. What server you on?

	Strake wrote on Mar 31^st, 2020 at 1:51pm: Like every group, there are schlubs and there are stars, and a lot in between. Pick your cause and I can say the same thing about the associated group. Gunga wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 2:27am: Bitcoin. lul --Who is luling in March 2025? Proud FORCCer
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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Set Augment Questions Reply #15 - Nov 20^th, 2020 at 4:30pm	Print Post
	Head-Meat wrote on Nov 20^th, 2020 at 3:45pm: I raid quite a bit. So, it doesn't feel AS bad. We have a group that runs a raid train on Wed & Sat. Right now we always do THTH, PN, VOD, MA, and LoB, and usually Shroud after. Several days a week members of that group will pop a timer for other runs too. What server you on? Yeah for the percentage of people that high-skull raid around the clock and don't have alts to kit it won't be an unimaginable grind, but its one of those "further fracturing the player base"-type problems as the gulf between those who play like a second job and the rest of us grows even wider. Fortunately this is an example of where the cost is simply too high for too little a return(I'm positive I could find something better to do with those 3 augment slots it takes). I have the dual problems of playing on Argo(among the lowest server pops) and having a weird work schedule that excludes me from most raiding. Now that I got all my lives done on my main I'm going to get flagged again, but I don't realistically see many raids firing during my play-time.

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Set Augment Questions Reply #16 - Nov 20^th, 2020 at 5:07pm	Print Post
	The Soulforged augments are much more interesting, since each only requires 1 item and then takes 1 augment slot. A few of them, like Soundproof, +2 profane, etc, will be useful.

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