S_O_B wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 7:55am:


Yeah the more I think about it the fishier it gets. That said, I know some absolutely loaded players who are throwing off the average. I've seen people link ten-stacks of wishes of inheritance and long before the dupping I knew players who legitimately bought 100-stacks of ottos boxes(paid for not even during points sales). However, I am dubious they can be throwing off the curve by that much.

Where exactly did someone see that $65/m figure? I tried the link in the original post and didn't feel like wading through 100 pages of EG7's humblebrag.


Asheras wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 8:12am:


The devs are always going to say the game is doing great. What do you think would happen if the captain of the cruise ship came on the PA and said the boat was sinking?

The "they" is and always has been the players. Now for literally the first time EVER we have actual hard data to back up the vague dev statements.

To go back to my analogy for a second: if you see water rushing in bellow decks everywhere you turn, how likely are you to believe the captain when he assures you the ship is not sinking? Most people would want some kind of proof at that point.

noamineo wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 1:33pm:


It's not that big.  The whole thing is like 4-5 pages.  Mostly with graphs and pictures.  Very few words.

I doubt highly the numbers in that press release are all that inaccurate.   A publicly traded company has a fiduciary duty.  Fudging numbers they sent to the public and investors would be potentially criminal liability.

noamineo wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 4:04pm:


I found it interesting.  After years of everyone guessing and arguing about whose guess is better, it was fun to see some actual numbers. 

Asheras wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 8:12am:



You are right about that, SSG never said they are not doing great BUT the fact that they have liquid diarrhea for customer service, a senile grandma for account maintenance, fucking laggy servers and zero marketing indicates they have no disposable profit. The independent studio comes from when they opted for turning into SSG after turbine dropped the games. So if they have such a nice revenue why they acting like customer service is self-service.
And why the hell the servers are so fucking laggy and empty?

As a random side note: Daybroke was entirely about buying old games, sucking any remaining revnue out of them, then sunsetting them when they became unprofitable. Daybroke was not so much a "studio" as a pony ride next to the glue factory.

EG7, meanwhile, clearly has the resources and the will to begin new development(they have several of their own IPs and actually make games as opposed to sunsetting them). And they made a big point of saying they now "own" the DnD IP(their ownership of SSG almost certainly gives them access to it or at least a huge in with Wizards to say "hey grrrrl".

Ergo: there is in fact hope for a new, GOOD DnD MMO. It won't be "DDO2" because that would be stupid. But some kind of good DnD game is potentially on the horizon now.

Asheras wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 4:10pm:


Are we talking about the game or something else?  Cause I'm kinda getting a hard penis vibe from this.

noamineo wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 5:26pm:


Seeing how they want to capitalize on the Amazon LoTRO, they might already be planning to capitalize on this for DDO :

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2906216/

As I mentionned, DDO and LoTRO are basically the same game with just a set of different options that makes the difference between them, so anything done on one is relatively easy to adapt to another.

$72m bookings/$39m EBITDA


$7M YTD is WAY more than I expected for DDO. How about LOTRO at $10m tho?



These EBIDTA to Bookings (Revenue) data are really interesting. Look at Everquest at 17% of revs but 30%!!! of EBITDA. Daybreak has 666m SEK ($78m) revs and 255m SEK ($30m) EBITDA, So they're making 9m on like 13m in revenues which is an insane ~70% EBITDA margin. That's almost 2x DDO's 38% EBITDA margin. THAT'S a cash cow.



DDO ARPU Monthly is highest of Daybreak at $65.2. Wild.

clearly DDO is quite the cash cow. Somehow.

So im ngl i really hope this gets a port to playstation and xbox especially if we could use same accounts as pc and its inter changeable

noamineo wrote on Dec 5^th, 2020 at 12:17am:

You Could do a bit of keybinds maybe not a full 9 however they can map it on controler where say hot bar 1 Is L1-Plus  whatever button combot you want x, square, circle, Triangle, right d pad, left d-pad, and so on, you can map a pc controller to ddo i use it alot on my pc

I would love to hop this would mean scaling UI, better inventory systems, updated UI all over the game, ray tracing support, etc

Daybreak was the company that put games to greener pastures in their late game life days while trying to squeze as much revenue as possible.
Now the new one looks interesting, even if I'm a bit biased by working for a Swedish company in another, but related domain. 
While, I didn't know there was a Swedish game company playing in the big league, I knew about the Finnish and the Icelandic one ( respectively Supercell and CCP Games ) so it's not a big surprise. ( now I need to find a Norwegian one... and I'll consider Lego as the big Danish game company to complete Scandinavia )