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Charon Ex Member	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #25 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 4:06pm	Print Post
	Artorias wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:27am: They have a weird understanding of the word "sorry" as it feels more like a "fuck you" in the contest of the reply. Good thing they are only planning those changes, imagine it those were to be the same release notes for the live....oh wait. I can explain this all to you. Do you have kids? Have you seen Moana? Every time you read a SSG post imagine that you're reading it while Steelstar bounces around singing "You're Welcome" while only wearing a grass skirt, while Jerry looks thirsty.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #26 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 4:09pm	Print Post
	Quote: Every time you read a SSG post imagine that you're reading it while Steelstar bounces around singing "You're Welcome" while only wearing a grass skirt, while Jerry looks thirsty. The problem with this analogy is that Steelstar doesn't have Dwayne the Rock Johnson's body, and in the film his character was saying "your welcome" for a lot of actual useful stuff(like creating islands for people to live on and inventing the coconut). Unlike Steel saying "You're welcome" for ruining the game.

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Charon Ex Member	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #27 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 4:17pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 4:09pm: The problem with this analogy is that Steelstar doesn't have Dwayne the Rock Johnson's body, and in the film his character was saying "your welcome" for a lot of actual useful stuff(like creating islands for people to live on and inventing the coconut). Unlike Steel saying "You're welcome" for ruining the game. What's the lesson? what is the take away don't mess with Cordo when he's on a break away.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #28 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 5:10pm	Print Post
	Quote: What's the lesson? what is the take away don't mess with Cordo when he's on a break away. The lesson is I'm a little gay for The Rock. Don't kink-shame me.

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Head-Meat 57%Misunderstood53%Moron Offline Subtle. I know. Posts: 9242 Joined: Nov 11^th, 2016	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #29 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 5:34pm	Print Post
	NOTpopejubal wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:34pm: The Manyshot nerf sucks. “Hey, you’ll do slightly better against trash, so it works out the same even though you have way less power when you really need it!” Yeah, don’t piss on me snd tell me it’s raining, Turbine. I was hoping that there would be a ranged improvement to give me a playable ranged character that I can enjoy with bows. Disappointed that it’s going to end up being a mild nerf instead of a buff. This was my takeaway as well.

	Strake wrote on Mar 31^st, 2020 at 1:51pm: Like every group, there are schlubs and there are stars, and a lot in between. Pick your cause and I can say the same thing about the associated group. Gunga wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 2:27am: Bitcoin. lul --Who is luling in March 2025? Proud FORCCer
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Shunned Stormreaver Piker Offline Hi! You have multiple personality disorder. Posts: 528 Location: Behind the edit button Joined: Nov 21^st, 2020	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #30 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 7:06pm	Print Post
	Maybe Horizon Wanker tree will change any bow you wield, giving it an enhancment bonus equal to your character level divided by two. Bringing all bows up to basically end game level. Maybe any arrows you use will get some returning.


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Bahish Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 20 Joined: Jul 24^th, 2020	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #31 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 7:34pm	Print Post
	Nuic wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 5:47pm: Seems more like it depends on the animation changes they made, but seems like a slight nerf: The new animations change fire rate at level 1 to be a base 0.03 seconds faster. They claim if you have any alacrity that it'll feel "better". Gain dex to damage on bows (pretty much unnecessary because you're likely going to be running 10k stars which is wis-based so just go falconry for wis to-hit/damage) Lose 7% from Blinding Speed Gain 1 crit mult on 19-20 likely within point blank shot range. Lose 10% from shot on the run Gain 3 RP from shot on the run Lose 10% from improved archer's focus Gain 10 RP from improved archer's focus Lose 10% from Primal Hymn Lose 5% from ranged alacrity (which is hilarious because they just released the raid bow with 25% ranged alacrity) Gain RP = BaB so ~18 RP if you want to run 10k stars Gain 1 crit threat range So: dex to damage gain 42% ranged alacrity loss 31 RP gain 1 crit threat range gain 1 crit mult likely within PBS gain Don't forget the BAB to doubleshot from the new multishot Also not sure all those alacrity sources stacked. If you had a 25% item before you weren't benefitting from Blinding Speed.


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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #32 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 8:06pm	Print Post
	It was also capped before....to the point that the loss of 42% should be meaningless. I’m pissed the are nerfing old items...silver longbow/pinion. That is just lazy fucking design thought.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #33 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 9:15pm	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 8:06pm: I’m pissed the are nerfing old items...silver longbow/pinion. That is just lazy fucking design thought. Also: fuck going back to replay old content. Getting a Pionion is pretty tough if you didn't grab one from a raiders box. Making it even less desirable is not going to get people playing that old raid.

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Shinyshoes Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 754 Joined: Mar 8^th, 2019	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #34 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 9:34pm	Print Post
	How would it be for someone one who just picked Unwavering Ardency for their anniversary troll?


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Shinyshoes Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 754 Joined: Mar 8^th, 2019	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #35 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 9:44pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 9:15pm: Also: fuck going back to replay old content. Getting a Pionion is pretty tough if you didn't grab one from a raiders box. Making it even less desirable is not going to get people playing that old raid. Yeah but, this is how it starts. First they hit ratcatcher cause inqui was too OP, and everyone complained but not really cause inqui was OP. Then they took Bloom, and no one really cared cause sticks are flavor and all the whiners run the meta. Now they are hitting every expanded crit range bow. People are complaining but it's overshadowed by the alacrity and many shot changes and there is horizon wanker, so the Rockstars all have dollar signs in their eyes and don't care. It won't stop there. The only question is whether SoS or drow weapons go next.


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Charon Ex Member	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #36 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:12pm	Print Post
	Shinyshoes wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 9:44pm: Yeah but, this is how it starts. First they hit ratcatcher cause inqui was too OP, and everyone complained but not really cause inqui was OP. Then they took Bloom, and no one really cared cause sticks are flavor and all the whiners run the meta. Now they are hitting every expanded crit range bow. People are complaining but it's overshadowed by the alacrity and many shot changes and there is horizon wanker, so the Rockstars all have dollar signs in their eyes and don't care. It won't stop there. The only question is whether SoS or drow weapons go next. It'll happen the next melee pass. I seriously hope DDOPlayer gets their emu code working. SSG just shits on things over and over again.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #37 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:32pm	Print Post
	Quote: It'll happen the next melee pass. I seriously hope DDOPlayer gets their emu code working. SSG just shits on things over and over again. eSoS getting the nerf-bat will cause a mass riot. Everything else they've hit so far wasn't that tough to get or wasn't that important. Ratcatcher? Yeah, SUPER gay that they nerfed it, but it still only took an afternoon to get. Pinion? eh, a lot harder but most of us got them from the raiders box. But eSoS? That takes YEARS to get. There are people who've been running the raid twice a week since it came out and still haven't gotten one. Others who got there after years of trying. People will fucking riot if that gets changed.

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Charon Ex Member	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #38 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:40pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:32pm: eSoS getting the nerf-bat will cause a mass riot. Everything else they've hit so far wasn't that tough to get or wasn't that important. Ratcatcher? Yeah, SUPER gay that they nerfed it, but it still only took an afternoon to get. Pinion? eh, a lot harder but most of us got them from the raiders box. But eSoS? That takes YEARS to get. There are people who've been running the raid twice a week since it came out and still haven't gotten one. Others who got there after years of trying. People will fucking riot if that gets changed. Let me put it this way, if you were in a irl buddy, I'd put a 20 on them eventually doing it after the next time they do a melee pass on something. I think it's just a matter of time before they go full stupid.


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Shinyshoes Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 754 Joined: Mar 8^th, 2019	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #39 - Mar 25^th, 2021 at 12:31am	Print Post
	I agree with Charon, there is a clear trend. Enjoy anything left with an expanded crit range while you can.


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Shinyshoes Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 754 Joined: Mar 8^th, 2019	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #40 - Mar 25^th, 2021 at 12:34am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:32pm: eSoS getting the nerf-bat will cause a mass riot. Everything else they've hit so far wasn't that tough to get or wasn't that important. Ratcatcher? Yeah, SUPER gay that they nerfed it, but it still only took an afternoon to get. Pinion? eh, a lot harder but most of us got them from the raiders box. But eSoS? That takes YEARS to get. There are people who've been running the raid twice a week since it came out and still haven't gotten one. Others who got there after years of trying. People will fucking riot if that gets changed. There will be some unhappiness about an eSoS nerf but there will be plenty of arsehats getting on the nerf band wagon. Happy because their pet build item was already nerfed or just because they don't have one and don't expect to get one. All in the name of a level playing field made possible by booming xpac sales.


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Bishop Stormreaver Piker Offline Nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky. Posts: 651 Joined: Oct 24^th, 2018	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #41 - Mar 25^th, 2021 at 12:51am	Print Post
	I don't think that SSG is making the best choices in their release notes, or in the way they are dealing with the players. There is already a link on the Lamma release notes thread to connects to a petition on the general page that calls out the possibility of the Sword of Shadows being changed next. I may be wrong but I think there will be a good deal of outrage among old casuals that don't follow the Vault, or Lammannia threads.


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Shinyshoes Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 754 Joined: Mar 8^th, 2019	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #42 - Mar 25^th, 2021 at 1:06am	Print Post
	Bishop I genuinely don't think they care. I think the strategy is to trash anything old and good to force players to use new gear from xpacs. I think since SSG appeared the strategy has been all about maximizing income no matter the collateral damage. Do Ed's really need revision the way they are planning.... No. Except that if someone has all the lives and all or close to all the reaper points the revenue from endless reincarnation is slowing.


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Bishop Stormreaver Piker Offline Nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky. Posts: 651 Joined: Oct 24^th, 2018	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #43 - Mar 25^th, 2021 at 1:15am	Print Post
	I hear that, and while I normally support what Standing Stones does, I am a little concerned with the way they are interacting with the posters on that Lamma thread. It seems almost provocative, not necessarily trolling but definitely provocative. I worry about how they will handle any petitions or organized calls to change aspects of the pass, if the Lamma thread is any indication it could end up being an own goal.


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Shinyshoes Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 754 Joined: Mar 8^th, 2019	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #44 - Mar 25^th, 2021 at 1:35am	Print Post
	Steelstar has become very bloody minded about it.


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Bahish Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 20 Joined: Jul 24^th, 2020	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #45 - Mar 25^th, 2021 at 9:16am	Print Post
	Shinyshoes wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 9:34pm: How would it be for someone one who just picked Unwavering Ardency for their anniversary troll? That's my case... I picked it specifically in anticipation of the bow pass, but man do I regret it now.. I should have waited.


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somenewnoob Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 751 Joined: Mar 10^th, 2016	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #46 - Mar 25^th, 2021 at 9:47am	Print Post
	I made the decision a long time ago to not give this company any more money. Every update reinforces that I made the correct decision.

	Grab life by the pussy.
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Dragonborn Shroud Slacker Offline Savaging the masses... one dumbfuck at a time Posts: 1243 Joined: Jul 25^th, 2020	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #47 - Mar 25^th, 2021 at 10:05am	Print Post
	Well then you should all go sign the petition on the motherboard... or better yet protest on the bridge.. that will tooooooootally change their mind! ROFLMFAO!

	noamineo wrote on Dec 24^th, 2021 at 12:04pm: Sadly only scammers are "selling" boxes now. But if you do want to get scammed, I know a guy. OSeanessy wrote on Dec 26^th, 2021 at 6:03am: Just for the record, I bought ten stones from Dragonborn a few days back. Fair and civil trade which went smoothly
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Bishop Stormreaver Piker Offline Nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky. Posts: 651 Joined: Oct 24^th, 2018	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #48 - Mar 25^th, 2021 at 8:44pm	Print Post
	They moved that petition thread off of the General discussion and tried to bury it in the Lamma section. Not good.


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Shunned Stormreaver Piker Offline Hi! You have multiple personality disorder. Posts: 528 Location: Behind the edit button Joined: Nov 21^st, 2020	Re: U49 Bow / ranged changes Reply #49 - Mar 25^th, 2021 at 9:58pm	Print Post
	Bishop wrote on Mar 25^th, 2021 at 8:44pm: They moved that petition thread off of the General discussion and tried to bury it in the Lamma section. Not good. WTf did they really? wow


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