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Dec 1st, 2021 at 6:23pm
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I mean, seriously... you guys are paying to play a game that you then pay more money to not play.

I have a solution that will save you money and time, while also discouraging the development of extreme-grind games. You don't even need me to tell you what it is.
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 1st, 2021 at 6:33pm
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We live only to amuse you, strake.
  

I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Reply #2 - Dec 3rd, 2021 at 3:16pm
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Strake wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 6:23pm:
I mean, seriously... you guys are paying to play a game that you then pay more money to not play.

I have a solution that will save you money and time, while also discouraging the development of extreme-grind games. You don't even need me to tell you what it is.


How you gonna leave all 7 1/2 people on the vault hanging like this?
  

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Reply #3 - Dec 3rd, 2021 at 3:50pm
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"TRs suck, endgame less suck, something about being a rockstar and getting all the ladies, bigger damage number better person"

Freud or something maybe
  
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Linker wrote on Dec 3rd, 2021 at 3:50pm:
"TRs suck, endgame less suck, something about being a rockstar and getting all the ladies, bigger damage number better person"

Freud or something maybe


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I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Reply #5 - Dec 3rd, 2021 at 7:15pm
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Gunga wrote on Dec 3rd, 2021 at 3:16pm:
How you gonna leave all 7 1/2 people on the vault hanging like this?



Toppie.
  


Strake wrote on Mar 31st, 2020 at 1:51pm:
Like every group, there are schlubs and there are stars, and a lot in between. Pick your cause and I can say the same thing about the associated group.
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Reply #6 - Dec 7th, 2021 at 11:49am
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I literally LOL'd the other day when I ran across a thread on the New World forums where the OP was talking down to the filthy casuals who don't grind the game 10+ hours a day every day.

What amazes me most is the number of people defending built-in grind as a good thing.
  
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Reply #7 - Dec 7th, 2021 at 1:35pm
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Strake wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 11:49am:
I literally LOL'd the other day when I ran across a thread on the New World forums where the OP was talking down to the filthy casuals who don't grind the game 10+ hours a day every day.

What amazes me most is the number of people defending built-in grind as a good thing.


Its either grind-walls or paywalls, am I right? Feels like game designers don't actually know any other way.

Some do it better than others. All the hideous griefing aside, Archeage had a pretty good system that basically punished playing too much. WoW similarly had a system that rewarded(to a small degree) not playing. Other games include concepts like "lateral expansion" EG "give the players something else to do".

DDO and it sounds like New World are not great at these things.
  

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Reply #8 - Dec 7th, 2021 at 4:21pm
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Strake wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 11:49am:
I literally LOL'd the other day when I ran across a thread on the New World forums where the OP was talking down to the filthy casuals who don't grind the game 10+ hours a day every day.

What amazes me most is the number of people defending built-in grind as a good thing.




I just noticed this recently as a semi-truism of human nature:

If I've sacrificed X to get Y, then you're bad if you haven't sacrificed X but are still wanting Y.


I noticed it with child vaccination.


I vaxed my child in order to feel safe.
You want to feel safe, but if you didn't vax you're child, you're bad/doing it wrong.

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Strake wrote on Mar 31st, 2020 at 1:51pm:
Like every group, there are schlubs and there are stars, and a lot in between. Pick your cause and I can say the same thing about the associated group.
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Reply #9 - Dec 7th, 2021 at 4:41pm
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Head-Meat wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 4:21pm:
I vaxed my child in order to feel safe.
You want to feel safe, but if you didn't vax you're child, you're bad/doing it wrong.


I would say this principle applies quite adequately to the concept of vaccines.

Leisure activities, not so much though.

It actually raises kind of an interesting concept. Let's say you want to hunt for sport. Its not a cheap hobby, but if you really want to kill a bear or a cape buffalo or something, you can pay for a guide and rent a gun and go do it with basically no training or practice(no "sacrifice" to get your trophy), and no one sees anything wrong with this(aside from the obvious anti-hunting people). I don't hunt or own a gun, but if I wanted to I could be on a plane to Africa tomorrow and bag a cape buffalo by the end of the week, and if I told other hunters I had done this, they'd mostly say "Cool!".

Contrast to gaming - and specifically MMO gaming - as a leisure activity, where the mentality of:

Head-Meat wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 4:21pm:
If I've sacrificed X to get Y, then you're bad if you haven't sacrificed X but are still wanting Y.


Extends far beyond just sacrificing X. If you sacrificed X to get Y, you want X to go away so no one besides you can have Y. You want to look down on all the filthy, dirty, awful "casuals" who aren't able to sacrifice X. And if X gets lowered, you will rant and rave and scream and cry because YOU had to sacrifice X and now X is smaller and that invalidates your achievements!

God I hate gamers.
  

I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Reply #10 - Dec 7th, 2021 at 5:21pm
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> He said, on a dying fringe forum of a dying fringe game with one of the most painful set of grinds.
  
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Reply #11 - Dec 7th, 2021 at 6:01pm
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noamineo wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 4:41pm:
Leisure activities, not so much though.





For good AND for ill, games are more than that for some people. To be fair, even "games" are serious for many.

[shrug]. I just play when I want. If someone is super uptight, they probably won't want me in their group since I'm committedly mediocre.
  


Strake wrote on Mar 31st, 2020 at 1:51pm:
Like every group, there are schlubs and there are stars, and a lot in between. Pick your cause and I can say the same thing about the associated group.
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Reply #12 - Dec 7th, 2021 at 6:09pm
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Head-Meat wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 6:01pm:
For good AND for ill, games are more than that for some people. To be fair, even "games" are serious for many.


My opinion is its entirely for ill. Fucking NOBODY should take video games as seriously as some MMO gamers. Grown-ass men sound like 3 year olds bragging about how good they are at stacking blocks. Its pitiful.
  

I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Reply #13 - Dec 7th, 2021 at 6:10pm
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Linker wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 5:21pm:
> He said, on a dying fringe forum of a dying fringe game with one of the most painful set of grinds.


Yeah that's fair. But I won't pretend anything anyone says here is important.
  

I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Reply #14 - Dec 7th, 2021 at 6:18pm
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noamineo wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 6:09pm:
My opinion is its entirely for ill. Fucking NOBODY should take video games as seriously as some MMO gamers. Grown-ass men sound like 3 year olds bragging about how good they are at stacking blocks. Its pitiful.

Indeed.
  

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Reply #15 - Dec 7th, 2021 at 9:19pm
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noamineo wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 6:09pm:
My opinion is its entirely for ill. Fucking NOBODY should take video games as seriously as some MMO gamers. Grown-ass men sound like 3 year olds bragging about how good they are at stacking blocks. Its pitiful.



But my blocks have this SICK new skin! It's super rare.
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Strake wrote on Mar 31st, 2020 at 1:51pm:
Like every group, there are schlubs and there are stars, and a lot in between. Pick your cause and I can say the same thing about the associated group.
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Reply #16 - Dec 8th, 2021 at 3:08pm
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Head-Meat wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 9:19pm:
But my blocks have this SICK new skin! It's super rare.


And I'm sure your mommy is very proud of you.
  

I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Reply #17 - Dec 8th, 2021 at 5:09pm
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noamineo wrote on Dec 8th, 2021 at 3:08pm:
And I'm sure your mommy is very proud of you.




Heck yeah. She's making me meatloaf right now.
  


Strake wrote on Mar 31st, 2020 at 1:51pm:
Like every group, there are schlubs and there are stars, and a lot in between. Pick your cause and I can say the same thing about the associated group.
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Reply #18 - Dec 8th, 2021 at 5:46pm
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Head-Meat wrote on Dec 8th, 2021 at 5:09pm:
Heck yeah. She's making me meatloaf right now.


Awesome... This funeral is gonna be sick!
  
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Reply #19 - Dec 9th, 2021 at 1:45pm
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Head-Meat wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 4:21pm:
I just noticed this recently as a semi-truism of human nature:

If I've sacrificed X to get Y, then you're bad if you haven't sacrificed X but are still wanting Y.



When it was evening the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Summon the laborers and give them their pay, beginning with the last and ending with the first.’
When those who had started about five o’clock came, each received the usual daily wage.
So when the first came, they thought that they would receive more, but each of them also got the usual wage.
And on receiving it they grumbled against the landowner,
saying, ‘These last ones worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us, who bore the day’s burden and the heat.’
He said to one of them in reply, ‘My friend, I am not cheating you. Did you not agree with me for the usual daily wage?
Take what is yours and go. What if I wish to give this last one the same as you?
Or am I not free to do as I wish with my own money? Are you envious because I am generous?’
  

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Reply #20 - Dec 9th, 2021 at 2:17pm
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Strake wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 11:49am:
What amazes me most is the number of people defending built-in grind as a good thing.


Hate it or love it, the game would be maintenance mode by now w/o the grind and whales to support it.

The reason people try to skip so much of it is to prevent burn out. Some of us just want to enjoy our endgame toons for at least a couple of updates before the inevitable meta shift.

All the nubs doing it the hard way will never catch up.
  

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Reply #21 - Dec 9th, 2021 at 2:29pm
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Alex DeLarge wrote on Dec 9th, 2021 at 2:17pm:
All the nubs doing it the hard way will never catch up.


Its a double-edged sword. The whales and the old-timers need the grind to keep them playing, but SSG failed to provide systems to help the nubs catch up. Once the nubs realize how much of a grind is waiting for them, they are less likely to stay.
  

I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Reply #22 - Dec 9th, 2021 at 3:14pm
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Shinyshoes wrote on Dec 8th, 2021 at 5:46pm:
Awesome... This funeral is gonna be sick!




Chicks are crazy horny at funerals. It's not even fair.
  


Strake wrote on Mar 31st, 2020 at 1:51pm:
Like every group, there are schlubs and there are stars, and a lot in between. Pick your cause and I can say the same thing about the associated group.
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Reply #23 - Dec 9th, 2021 at 3:14pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 9th, 2021 at 1:45pm:
When it was evening the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Summon the laborers and give them their pay, beginning with the last and ending with the first.’
When those who had started about five o’clock came, each received the usual daily wage.
So when the first came, they thought that they would receive more, but each of them also got the usual wage.
And on receiving it they grumbled against the landowner,
saying, ‘These last ones worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us, who bore the day’s burden and the heat.’
He said to one of them in reply, ‘My friend, I am not cheating you. Did you not agree with me for the usual daily wage?
Take what is yours and go. What if I wish to give this last one the same as you?
Or am I not free to do as I wish with my own money? Are you envious because I am generous?’


Amen.

I suppose I'm re-learning this insight.
  


Strake wrote on Mar 31st, 2020 at 1:51pm:
Like every group, there are schlubs and there are stars, and a lot in between. Pick your cause and I can say the same thing about the associated group.
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Reply #24 - Dec 9th, 2021 at 3:15pm
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They need to cash in and finally make different versions. I won't pay $40 or whatever it is for skipping a life but I would drop $5-10 every now and again to skip a level/range I'm not looking forward to.

Case in my point; my main with all the lives has been sat idle at a level for weeks now because I don't care for any quests in that level range and I just can't be arsed to do it again. For now.

If they sold a Single Level Stone or a Saga reward type stone I'd've almost certainly bought one to get back onto quests I still enjoy. As is I just haven't played instead.
  
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