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Re: Is the phantasmal killer build back?
Reply #25 - Dec 14th, 2021 at 10:57am
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Linker wrote on Dec 10th, 2021 at 3:56am:
5FS your build needs an update


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Head-Meat wrote on Dec 9th, 2021 at 4:38pm:
I forgot about this build. That could be a lot of fun again!

You should update it!

Would you just do ranger cleric now? Does monk do anything for you, really?

Ocean stance, dodge, AC, and run speed I suppose?


Off the top of my head...

Trade 6 monk for 6 ranger. Then you don't need to be an Elf for AA (and don't need a bunch of racial AP to unlock AA efficiently) Pretty much every ranged build wants to be in Shiradi now, so you can pick up Sniper Shot for a +crit multi active attack with a low cooldown to pair with Hunt's End. This build might want...whatever ED gives the most DC points now though.

What race? /shrug I would probably lean toward human for the feat and damage boost. But I could see people going Aasimar for the Wis or Halfling for the angle of attack.

If you don't want to go deep in Falconry, you can be FvS instead. FvS gets wis to hit and dmg for free and a big dumb HP boost. Not having Killer Instinct for insightful damage means conceding on DPS though. And not having a cleric domain means conceding on DCs. So I wouldn't go that route. But it would be playable or whatever.

Not going to say more without doing some research.

Head-Meat wrote on Dec 9th, 2021 at 6:20pm:
The epic moment in shiradi is decent.


It's more than decent.

noamineo wrote on Dec 9th, 2021 at 5:24pm:
I'm hankering for some kind of ranger build, now. I had one many years ago that was mainly twf but had enough ranger levels to do decent ranged damage. It was not pure-ranger, though...


Pure ranger is pretty strong at both TWF and ranged. But not at the same time.
  

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Re: Is the phantasmal killer build back?
Reply #26 - Dec 14th, 2021 at 12:30pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 14th, 2021 at 10:57am:
Agreed.


Off the top of my head...

Trade 6 monk for 6 ranger. Then you don't need to be an Elf for AA (and don't need a bunch of racial AP to unlock AA efficiently) Pretty much every ranged build wants to be in Shiradi now, so you can pick up Sniper Shot for a +crit multi active attack with a low cooldown to pair with Hunt's End. This build might want...whatever ED gives the most DC points now though.

What race? /shrug I would probably lean toward human for the feat and damage boost. But I could see people going Aasimar for the Wis or Halfling for the angle of attack.

If you don't want to go deep in Falconry, you can be FvS instead. FvS gets wis to hit and dmg for free and a big dumb HP boost. Not having Killer Instinct for insightful damage means conceding on DPS though. And not having a cleric domain means conceding on DCs. So I wouldn't go that route. But it would be playable or whatever.

Not going to say more without doing some research.


It's more than decent.


Pure ranger is pretty strong at both TWF and ranged. But not at the same time.



So, I switched my thrower to some top tier now ranged damage build. I’m wondering how well the PK build would do compared on trash. I have something like 150 double shot. Let’s assume your DC is good enough on the PK build that it works 95% of the time. I think multishot is subject to double shot.

3 arrows with 150 DS @ 95% efficacy= 7.5 arrows ~36% chance to “one shot” a mob. If you start looking at using IPS, that’s pretty good. I’d have to check some rate of fire calcs to see how well that works without multishot.

My build now 1-2 shots most trash (low reaper) as it is plus would have way better red name dmg. Hmm..

However, the higher the reaper, the better the DC build probably looks on trash. Plus the utility of hjeals and CC is nice. I wonder how close you could get the red name dmg.
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Re: Is the phantasmal killer build back?
Reply #27 - Dec 14th, 2021 at 12:59pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 14th, 2021 at 10:57am:
Pure ranger is pretty strong at both TWF and ranged. But not at the same time.


My TWF back in the day wasn't terribly strong in ranged but if I needed to switch to bow and kite a mob or kill something from far away, he could do it(unlike, say, my sorc with a throwing axe).

Do you really gain any advantages from pure ranger, though? The useful feats stop at 11. I guess Dervish seems pretty good, except the wiki says its broken for bladeforged and I'm planning a BF twf. Was thinking of going like 11/9 or 12/8 ranger/fighter.
  

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Re: Is the phantasmal killer build back?
Reply #28 - Dec 17th, 2021 at 11:53am
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noamineo wrote on Dec 14th, 2021 at 12:59pm:
Do you really gain any advantages from pure ranger, though? The useful feats stop at 11. I guess Dervish seems pretty good, except the wiki says its broken for bladeforged and I'm planning a BF twf. Was thinking of going like 11/9 or 12/8 ranger/fighter.


The Tempest capstone is better than whatever you get by multiclassing. And you have to go to 40ish points in tempest anyway to get all the tier 5 goodies.

Bladeforged?  Huh Why? Just don't.
  

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Re: Is the phantasmal killer build back?
Reply #29 - Dec 17th, 2021 at 12:22pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 17th, 2021 at 11:53am:
Bladeforged?  Huh Why? Just don't.


Because he is a dumbfuck.
  

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Re: Is the phantasmal killer build back?
Reply #30 - Dec 17th, 2021 at 1:25pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 17th, 2021 at 11:53am:
The Tempest capstone is better than whatever you get by multiclassing. And you have to go to 40ish points in tempest anyway to get all the tier 5 goodies.

Bladeforged?  Huh Why? Just don't.


Two words: Reconstruct SLA.

Ok, I guess that's four words or one word and an acronym.


Here's what's going on: I made a character over on HCL to get all the "once per server" shit and transfer it back to my main account. Said character is a lvl1 BF paladin with a free +5 heart, so I can very easily turn him into anything I please. I also have one more +8 supreme tome. So, looking over my stable of halfway decent alts, I'm trying to figure out what I want my last really good alt to be. I have my main(sorc), a wizard, and a rogue. I want some kind of pure melee but since I already do 2hf with the wizard I'm looking for something "different" than just like a pure paladin or something.
  

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Re: Is the phantasmal killer build back?
Reply #31 - Dec 17th, 2021 at 3:29pm
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I’d transfer the stuff over and delete the toon…or use it as a storage toon.

Of all my racials - which were all done as pure, str-based tempest - warforged was by far the ugliest, even though it was 2nd to last, and with 13 racial AP to spend in the tree.

That was mainly due to being reliant on heals from others during higher reapers.  Self healing just will not cover it.

That said, if you’re never running higher than R1, your self healing should suffice.

Still wouldn’t want to do a bladeforged ranger though.
  
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Re: Is the phantasmal killer build back?
Reply #32 - Dec 17th, 2021 at 5:35pm
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There's some ways around this. If your healamp is half decent, you're good. Arcane lifes, you're good. Temp HP is also good.

WF barbarian is good in heroics if you aren't a dipshit.
  
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Re: Is the phantasmal killer build back?
Reply #33 - Dec 17th, 2021 at 5:36pm
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Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz wrote on Dec 17th, 2021 at 3:29pm:
Still wouldn’t want to do a bladeforged ranger though.


Of course you wouldn't, you also wouldn't be constantly starting threads asking people to explain how to play the game every week...

Why? Because you're not a dumbfuck like Nomoreo is.
  

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Reply #34 - Dec 17th, 2021 at 6:13pm
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Re: Is the phantasmal killer build back?
Reply #35 - Dec 18th, 2021 at 11:10am
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noamineo wrote on Dec 17th, 2021 at 1:25pm:
Two words: Reconstruct SLA.

Ok, I guess that's four words or one word and an acronym.


Here's what's going on: I made a character over on HCL to get all the "once per server" shit and transfer it back to my main account. Said character is a lvl1 BF paladin with a free +5 heart, so I can very easily turn him into anything I please. I also have one more +8 supreme tome. So, looking over my stable of halfway decent alts, I'm trying to figure out what I want my last really good alt to be. I have my main(sorc), a wizard, and a rogue. I want some kind of pure melee but since I already do 2hf with the wizard I'm looking for something "different" than just like a pure paladin or something.


Years ago Communion of Scribing was awesome for characters that wouldn't otherwise have any self heals.

Ranger was never one of those characters. And if Cure Serious isn't enough for you, you should be going Aasimar for LoH which will get you other stuff that actually synergizes with ranger.

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I get that you're looking for something to do with a bladeforged, but you have all kinds of options there. You don't need to pound that square bladeforged peg into a round tempest hole. So just don't.
  

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Reply #36 - Dec 18th, 2021 at 10:47pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 18th, 2021 at 11:10am:
I get that you're looking for something to do with a bladeforged, but you have all kinds of options there. You don't need to pound that square bladeforged peg into a round tempest hole. So just don't.


....yeah. I probably shouldn't. They also look pretty silly twf.

/Sigh

I'll go build a tempest to play on next time I get bored. Figure out something else to do with that BF. They're pretty ugly twf as Vogon said. I don't want to just delete the character since he had a pretty cool name. Hey, maybe I'll just run the character up and then TR into a tempest.
  

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Reply #37 - Dec 19th, 2021 at 10:59am
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Wanna do bladeforged tempest? Lose the paladin, Main fighter, abuse reconstruct.

You're a fighter with a weird split and race, but it works.
  
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noamineo wrote on Dec 18th, 2021 at 10:47pm:
....yeah. I probably shouldn't. They also look pretty silly twf.

/Sigh

I'll go build a tempest to play on next time I get bored. Figure out something else to do with that BF. They're pretty ugly twf as Vogon said. I don't want to just delete the character since he had a pretty cool name. Hey, maybe I'll just run the character up and then TR into a tempest.


You know if you delete a character you can roll a new one with the same name, right?
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 19th, 2021 at 11:52am:
You know if you delete a character you can roll a new one with the same name, right?


Yes but it was only really a good name for a bladeforged. Wouldn't be so cool for any other race Tongue
  

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Bladey McBladington?
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 22nd, 2021 at 11:09am:
Bladey McBladington?


Watch that be someone's main who's now doing racials and is a halfing.
  

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Reply #42 - Dec 22nd, 2021 at 3:56pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 22nd, 2021 at 11:09am:
Bladey McBladington?



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Reply #43 - Dec 22nd, 2021 at 9:03pm
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Bladey McBladington?

Bladey McBladeface if you're from England.
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Bladey McBladeface if you're from England.


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Reply #45 - Dec 23rd, 2021 at 9:47am
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How about Bladezz, but with "z"s to the character limit?
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 23rd, 2021 at 9:47am:
How about Bladezz, but with "z"s to the character limit?


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Reply #47 - Jan 2nd, 2022 at 12:45pm
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UPDATE: I've been running with a guy who has a pure cleric enchantment bow build. We ran Saltmarsh r10 last night. The PK proc from terror arrows didn't work really. Doesn't proc enough--at least not in a group. What worked well was paralyze arrows. This cleric was a CC beast. It was working really well on r10. Plus he adds some damage. Nice overall.
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Reply #48 - Jan 2nd, 2022 at 1:11pm
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UPDATE: I've been running with a guy who has a pure cleric enchantment bow build. We ran Saltmarsh r10 last night. The PK proc from terror arrows didn't work really. Doesn't proc enough--at least not in a group. What worked well was paralyze arrows. This cleric was a CC beast. It was working really well on r10. Plus he adds some damage. Nice overall.


How does a pure cleric get PK arrows in the first place? Isn't that a ranger tree?
  

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How does a pure cleric get PK arrows in the first place? Isn't that a ranger tree?


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