This whole discussion is bad. You're talking about this as if they have some sort of a corp structure.

This dev team is working like an indie gig, with sev and cord being the only ones that can make real meaningful changes, and the 4 others that make any kind of changes sucking their respective dicks to get some money and maybe an icon revamp.

And I get it - the guy built the game, the base of the game is actually really nice - building is flexible with roots in D&D

The graphics are 2006, there's no product management, there isn't a customer service team or marketing per se, they have no idea wtf we need and they don't really care either - it's a self masturbation ritual without any profit or growth incentive, if we get a semi decent update once a year they feel real nice about being game devs or something

Fuck this game

It's special as in special needs

I love it

But fuck this

noamineo wrote on Feb 1^st, 2022 at 12:39pm:

Indeed.

The only thing Cordo is good at is dying in livestreams.   He’s so fucking bad at his job, they could replace him with a baked potato and nobody’d really notice a difference…except that the baked potato wouldn’t be such a thin-skinned, ban happy pussy on the forums.

Sev?  That crack addled retard is the major reason this game is in such bad shape.  He’s not even fit to run a shift at McDonalds, yet here he is fucking this shit up even more - thru really bad decisions - on a daily basis.  I mean, there are single cell organisms with greater situational awareness than that dumb fuck.

Gunga wrote on Feb 1^st, 2022 at 1:33pm:


Well Never Winter night 2 was castrated to the point that anything that might be ending against DDO was basically defanged.  ( no stand alone client, no linux stand alone client, no linux server, no linux standalone server, no database hookups [all those despite all the promises ]... Thats when I just dumped coding and went full dumb player.

[ hell I have coded hundred lines of code ( including a full crafting system based on ATS ) in NWN... but even doing colors and stuff in DDO feels like a PITA to do [despite the fact tht it's just one file editing ] ) ]

ManyCookies wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 11:43pm:


So anyone else can feel free to correct me on this, I am typing from memory here, but this is my understanding of the course of events:


Back in the late 90s Turbine started off as some coders and artists. I believe Sev was involved at this point but don't know for sure. The coders in particular were extremely talented - they managed to write a graphics engine and underlying game engine that allowed them to create a 500 square mile fully 3 dimensional virtual world in about 1996(this is an impressive feat today let alone when their first prototype was ready).

Now this is before the concept of "indie" studios was a thing. They were a startup. Their technology was impressive enough to attract the attention of Microsoft, who provided funding and publishing to create the game Asheron's Call. AC was then and still is revolutionary on many levels -and what they were able to create with fucking dial up is still better than most MMOs releasing today.

In the AC era Turbine certainly had executives, HR, etc. Eventually they were bought by Warner Bros. I don't know the exact timeline. Turbine then used much of the underlying code structure to create DDO(which is weird because DDO is very closed/instanced while AC was open - go figure but thats why you can see across the Shroud on a clear day).

Then came the great schism and the shift from Turbine to SSG - this is when they dispensed with the executives and any concept of management, started all this "like an indie studio" crap. Since most of us were around for that we know the story - WB sold SSG to Daybreak who took DDO and LOTRO and said "YOLO shut that shit down!" to Asheron's Call(which honestly could have had years more life with a little effort).

ok let me say this

life is like a pinball machine....

and we are putting quarters into it...

SSG does pretty well at the stress vs reward thingy...

even tho i think im nerfed about 80%

but w/e

yer all pussies

ManyCookies wrote on Feb 6^th, 2022 at 12:17am:


No. The coders quite Turbine and formed a new company called SSG where they made themselves managers.

Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz wrote on Feb 6^th, 2022 at 3:04pm:


That is what headless chickens do. All the organs(aka coders, designers, community managers, etc) know how to do their job and will keep on doing it. But without a brain(aka competent leadership) they're just going to run around and get shit in their neck hole.

ManyCookies wrote on Feb 7^th, 2022 at 3:20am:


Well clearly it doesn't work, as we can plainly see.

The story according to SSG is that they bought the games from WB/Turbine and took them to form a new company. We know this is probably not true. We'll never know the exact details of the deal that was struck. Its pretty clear WB did not want DDO & LOTRO and was planning to either shutter the games or sell them off. Based on the releases by EG7, what we think happened is WB sold the games to DayBreak, and DayBreak let the vital staff from Turbine quit and form SSG.

Technically speaking DayBreak/EG7 are in charge, but they clearly don't care about about anything other than short-term profits.

noamineo wrote on Feb 7^th, 2022 at 1:04pm:


Just expect that the first day they stop earning ca$h on this game they will kill it. Which won't happen in any near future.

DDO players are so milky cows according to any statistics we have. Most wealthy generation that yet playing games plus most honest community within B+ mmo's.

noamineo wrote on Feb 10^th, 2022 at 1:25pm:


Expect the exact opposite of that.  Those idiots can’t even put the lid on a peanut butter jar without adult supervision.

BTW, what’s the fucking point of those idiots doing weekly restarts when it’s now doing absolutely nothing to reduce lag?  It was just as fucking bad at 1pm Wednesday, as it was at 8:30am before the restart.

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised when those drooling dumb fucks do things like accidentally fixing all that TR Cache lag when they were trying to do something seemingly unrelated to that clusterfuck.

…and each update creates even more tangles in their retarded spaghetto code.

Seriously though, what exactly does Severlin do?  As far as I can tell, all he does is just sit around and mumble incoherently.