SpaceGoat wrote on May 16^th, 2022 at 6:54pm:


Especially on a sorc...If you need to conserve mana in R1 on a solo SORC, you've got trouble.

Also on the "use higher level spells" can I just say... NO SHIT SHERLOCK!
god, I'm so glad you told us or we would have just kept using level one spells! XD

Wtf are you even talking about. Seriously?

I asked plain and simple. What does DRUID give you that sorc won't to justify the grandiose claim that druid is king?

Ferd wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 8:33am:


How dare you tell him about this, he clearly knows all about higher level spells as per his previous post!

Because I TRd out of it.
Meteorswarm was nicer in shiradi for extra proc chance, but it does cost more.
Sure if a mob isn't dead you can toss it as a fire sorc it may probably obliterate the rest. Chances are it isn't needed.

Again. Wtf does any of that have to do with the druid bullshit claims?

Sure, because you assholes insisting druid is better are capable of soloing r8 on a second lifer, right? Buy I'm the one who needs to learn to play. Lol.

I'm the idiot. Not you who keep insisting that druid is better than sorc.

You are a real fucking moron. You could have done the max damage comparison on **any** spell.

However, since you cannot substantiate your idiotic theory, because let's he frank - it's downright moronic - you can't be bothered to do the math.

It's pretty goddamn simple. Mx damage of spell, plus spell power scaling.

Obviously gearless and without crit chance unless you are a complete fucking moron.
It's supposed to show that the **base** damage whatever class can put out is *more* than whatever *sorc* can put out.

I understand how putting numbers down that make you look like the moron you are can be problematic when you go around blasting fucking stupid shit...

You are a fucking moron too. That's literally all there is to it.
Learn to build toons, And how to use them. Then maybe you can actually help in r10 instead of being an obvious hindrance.

Re read what I wrote you fucking moron. That or try eating some seamonkeys in hopes you grow some breain.

There are several things that matter in the context of spell DPS

Spell damage
Spell damage scaling via SP
Spell crit chance
Spell crit multiplier
Spell levels and max caster level
Ability to cause helpless state + helpless damage boosts
Mana to cast said spells
Cooldown on spell rotation
Various debuffs if applicable (mainly for raid boss)
Not being dead.

To this discussion, you brought fireball.

You really are pretty thick. I'll try one last time ...

Ferd wrote on May 12^th, 2022 at 9:00pm:


Not ice druid. Not Aasimar druid. Not Tiefling druid. Shifter druid.

Ferd wrote on May 13^th, 2022 at 8:07pm:


Shifter tier 4
Howl of Terror: You utter a terrifying howl, filling your foes with a paralyzing fear. Foes around you are paralyzed for 6 to 24 seconds. Will save (18 + Wis Mod + Enchantment bonuses) negates. This can be cast while Raging.

Nature's warrior core 5
Howl of Winter: Passive:
Casting Howl of Terror now grants you the effect Winter Hunt for 10 seconds which grants a +10 exceptional bonus to Double Strike, 25% bonus to spell crit and 50% to spell crit damage to all cold damage spells. This will only occur once every 30 seconds.

That combo, and only that combo, will give you 25% more Crit chance than a Sorc and 50% more multi than a sorc.

Combine that with the +5 CL granted by an upgraded reflection of wave for cold spells and you will out DPS a sorc for 10 seconds of every 30 - which is more than enough in R10s vs anything that's not a boss.

Ask any end game sorc who is willing to talk to your dumb ass what their Crit chance and multi is, then compare it to 93% and 190 - you will see it's way lower.

Don't ask them how much damage they do with fireball - for the love of god ...

(base damage)*(crit chance)*(2+ (crit multiplier/100))
+
(base damage)*(1 - crit chance)
=
Avg damage

for 10 seconds of every 30 seconds.

So basically if you attempt to solo anything you just squish. Because every 30 seconds your damage is less than mediocre.
Ok well, maybe just mediocre, not less than. Still.

This is very much like saying that a many shot makes ranger the best dps ever...
People have been coming up with solution to cycle between 10kstars and many shot (etc) to make up for the time you wait doing nothing while one or the other is charing up...

So, somehow you think that because for 10 seconds you can cast maybe 6 spells - most of which are bound to not even be the right spell power.
(ice storm, olitzuke, snowball storm, cold lance, iceberg, And Oh the dot. Out of which the only useful spell is probably olitzuke's.)

Even if instead of past life for crit you use past life for timer, there's is about a snowball chance in hell you can consistently maintain the same amount of damage output a sorc can dish out. (Which I suppose is appropriate given the icy tendency of the spells).

I'm not saying it doesn't have its own place. I'm saying you won't be doing shit solo in r8. Or possibly even in group since in the 30sec you reload chances are the rest of the party is squished 😜