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ManyCookies Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 360 Joined: Nov 16^th, 2018	Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? May 17^th, 2022 at 4:24pm	Print Post
	Are you going to shell out $40 for it in the market? Wait for a sale 1 year later and buy it it in the market for $20-30? Buy it for 4k DDO points when it becomes available in the store? I got most of my expansions with store points because I hate the idea of giving them any more money, but at 4k DDO points, i don't know if that makes sense anymore. It will also probably contain some ridiculous power creep to force you to buy it ASAP.
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somenewnoob Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 751 Joined: Mar 10^th, 2016	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #1 - May 17^th, 2022 at 4:34pm	Print Post
	Haven't spent actual money on this game in years. Not going to start now. Have almost 9K favor points, so probably for points, idk.

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9003 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #2 - May 17^th, 2022 at 5:40pm	Print Post
	somenewnoob wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 4:34pm: Have almost 9K favor points, so probably for points, idk. This raises an interesting theory. When a person buy "DDO points", SSG collects the money, but they cannot "realize" the profit until the player redeems the points. That means if you buy $100 in points and then quit playing, SSG doesn't get that $100. Now enter favor points. If the profits are being "realized"(recorded) when points are redeemed instead of when they are purchased, perhaps we've uncovered how SSG is cooking the books. They can't tell the difference between bought points and earned points, so the inexplicable high profits aren't real.

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Shunned Stormreaver Piker Online Hi! You have multiple personality disorder. Posts: 528 Location: Behind the edit button Joined: Nov 21^st, 2020	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #3 - May 17^th, 2022 at 7:11pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 5:40pm: SSG collects the money noamineo wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 5:40pm: SSG doesn't get that $100 hmmmm


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Anothersock Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 217 Joined: Mar 28^th, 2022	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #4 - May 17^th, 2022 at 8:40pm	Print Post
	I suggest you call Xsolla and ask them how "your game" can make use of their services to get an idea of how silly what you said is...


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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3481 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #5 - May 17^th, 2022 at 11:50pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 5:40pm: When a person buy "DDO points", SSG collects the money, but they cannot "realize" the profit until the player redeems the points. That means if you buy $100 in points and then quit playing, SSG doesn't get that $100. Jesus christ, nomoreo, how do you not forget how to breathe on a daily basis.


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liljiggy Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 309 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2022	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #6 - May 18^th, 2022 at 3:59am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 5:40pm: When a person buy "DDO points", SSG collects the money, but they cannot "realize" the profit until the player redeems the points. That means if you buy $100 in points and then quit playing, SSG doesn't get that $100. That's...not how anything works. Have you never been in an amusement park that makes it's own money but still charges real money? You walking away with a made up currency in your pockets unspent is a huge win for them. Selling you ddo points and limiting what you can spend them on while still hitting you for RL cash is shady and sleazy, but it obviously makes them money.


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Notanarc Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 300 Joined: May 17^th, 2020	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #7 - May 18^th, 2022 at 6:11am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 5:40pm: This raises an interesting theory. When a person buy "DDO points", SSG collects the money, but they cannot "realize" the profit until the player redeems the points. That means if you buy $100 in points and then quit playing, SSG doesn't get that $100. Gods, you're stupid.


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higgildypiggildy Stormreaver Piker Offline I just mock the world Posts: 660 Joined: Dec 8^th, 2011	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #8 - May 18^th, 2022 at 6:48am	Print Post
	ManyCookies wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 4:24pm: Are you going to shell out $40 for it in the market? Wait for a sale 1 year later and buy it it in the market for $20-30? Buy it for 4k DDO points when it becomes available in the store? I just buy the best thing straight away with real money. My Pleasure and my convenience, right now, trump everything else. Wait a year for a sale? That's for like people who can't afford tp or who choose not to indulge themselves.

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higgildypiggildy Stormreaver Piker Offline I just mock the world Posts: 660 Joined: Dec 8^th, 2011	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #9 - May 18^th, 2022 at 6:50am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 5:40pm: When a person buy "DDO points", SSG collects the money, but they cannot "realize" the profit until the player redeems the points. That means if you buy $100 in points and then quit playing, SSG doesn't get that $100. When a person buys the points SSG realise that profit straight away. Later if/when you spend the point SSG provide you with no-cost-to-them digital goods. I don't thik you understand how this works.

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Justanotherlurker Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 384 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2014	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #10 - May 18^th, 2022 at 8:40am	Print Post
	Lowest pack or with points haven’t decided yet


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goldgolem Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 193 Joined: Feb 11^th, 2014	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #11 - May 18^th, 2022 at 9:48am	Print Post
	Putting aside how they fucked up my ability to buy stuff, in the past I always used to buy the highest amount pack as a way of supporting the game. As much as the developers are dick heads, I wanted the game to be around


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DnD Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 155 Joined: Dec 3^rd, 2014	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #12 - May 18^th, 2022 at 4:19pm	Print Post
	I just bought the starter pack. Will buy the iconic and tome for my main with points eventually with DDO points.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #13 - May 19^th, 2022 at 10:48pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 5:40pm: This raises an interesting theory. When a person buy "DDO points", SSG collects the money, but they cannot "realize" the profit until the player redeems the points. That means if you buy $100 in points and then quit playing, SSG doesn't get that $100. Now enter favor points. If the profits are being "realized"(recorded) when points are redeemed instead of when they are purchased, perhaps we've uncovered how SSG is cooking the books. They can't tell the difference between bought points and earned points, so the inexplicable high profits aren't real. Agree with others. Not how that works at all with regard to GAAP.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #14 - May 19^th, 2022 at 10:50pm	Print Post
	On topic, I paid for the pre-order. Even the worst expansion (Shadowfell) has yielded a play hours to price ratio that is lower than most other forms of entertainment.


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higgildypiggildy Stormreaver Piker Offline I just mock the world Posts: 660 Joined: Dec 8^th, 2011	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #15 - May 20^th, 2022 at 5:29am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on May 19^th, 2022 at 10:50pm: On topic, I paid for the pre-order. Even the worst expansion (Shadowfell) has yielded a play hours to price ratio that is lower than most other forms of entertainment. This is very very true. My pennies per hour of entertainment is awesome

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Justanotherlurker Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 384 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2014	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #16 - May 20^th, 2022 at 7:30am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on May 19^th, 2022 at 10:50pm: On topic, I paid for the pre-order. Even the worst expansion (Shadowfell) has yielded a play hours to price ratio that is lower than most other forms of entertainment. While this is true the problem with the offerings was never the price but the value compared to pretty much every game in existence. Ff you only play DDO sure its fine but $140 for 12 quests a raid and some digital goods is frankly awful.


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kum-gulp VoD Slasher Offline I Love Tired Vault Memes! Posts: 1810 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2010	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #17 - May 20^th, 2022 at 8:20am	Print Post
	I bought it. First expansion since the shite that was Shadowfell. Mainly because I was planning on getting the hearts at some point so it didn't cost much more to get the rest.


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Sasha Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 818 Joined: Apr 13^th, 2014	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #18 - May 20^th, 2022 at 2:28pm	Print Post
	Well, the expac was pushed to June 22nd. https://twitter.com/DDOUnlimited/status/1527702356196044801


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #19 - May 20^th, 2022 at 5:19pm	Print Post
	Justanotherlurker wrote on May 20^th, 2022 at 7:30am: While this is true the problem with the offerings was never the price but the value compared to pretty much every game in existence. Ff you only play DDO sure its fine but $140 for 12 quests a raid and some digital goods is frankly awful. Meh. Most collector's editions are similar. Elden Ring is $225 USD. Now that includes a book and and a statute. So hard goods. But The price is also $85 higher. In my experience the gameplay time in an expansion in DDO is in line with how long I would be in Kingmaker or Wrath of the Righteous or Elden Ring. And my price point is similar. I disagree, but ymmv. How you define value may be different.


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liljiggy Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 309 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2022	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #20 - May 20^th, 2022 at 5:59pm	Print Post
	Sasha wrote on May 20^th, 2022 at 2:28pm: Well, the expac was pushed to June 22nd. I rather enjoyed "Would You Rather."


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Justanotherlurker Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 384 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2014	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #21 - May 20^th, 2022 at 8:28pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on May 20^th, 2022 at 5:19pm: Meh. Most collector's editions are similar. Elden Ring is $225 USD. Now that includes a book and and a statute. So hard goods. But The price is also $85 higher. Sure but I bet it has more than 12 quests and a raid


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #22 - May 20^th, 2022 at 8:44pm	Print Post
	Justanotherlurker wrote on May 20^th, 2022 at 8:28pm: Sure but I bet it has more than 12 quests and a raid You can't really compare single player RPG content to MMO content. Apples and Oranges. But an expansion release is generally equivalent to a AAA title release. At least to my thinking. Either yields 250-500 hours of gameplay.


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Anothersock Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 217 Joined: Mar 28^th, 2022	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #23 - May 21^st, 2022 at 6:34am	Print Post
	What kills me is that you probably have no fucking idea what a normal map even is, and yet you preach authoritatively that the work they do compares to an AAA release. First of all, the closest thing to AAA the game has is the fucking battery the server runs out of every now and again. Second of, my bad, you weren't noamineo but holy shit you must be his sock to write such comments XD In today's day and age someone like me, managing a team of 5 decent people who somewhat know their shit, would be able to complete a whole new expansion with voice acting, character acting (mocap) scenes, and 30 new levels that the game calls "very long" in about a month and a half. If you want to throw in a new class where you want the motion not to look completely retarded add 2 weeks to make it an even 2 months. That's 6 people for 2 months in terms of how much it costs them to get it done. Now compare what they ask for, $129 To what an AAA game that's actually well made and took a team of 20 to make over one or more years at release. Which is almost never more than $60. And tell us again how their pricing isn't just ripping fucking people, investors, players, and developers off...
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Justanotherlurker Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 384 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2014	Re: Are you planning to get Isle of Dread, and if so, how? Reply #24 - May 21^st, 2022 at 7:14am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on May 20^th, 2022 at 8:44pm: You can't really compare single player RPG content to MMO content. Apples and Oranges. But an expansion release is generally equivalent to a AAA title release. At least to my thinking. Either yields 250-500 hours of gameplay. No you are clearly blinkered if you think 12 quests and a raid is the equivalent to a AAA release. So you are going to spend about 20 hours in each quest? thats a lot of repetition - you could play a single rpg multiple times too if you want we tend not to as there are better gameplay experiences than endless repetition. Its cool that the expansion is worth it to you but dont lose sight of the fact it really is objectively a poor value proposition. SSG get some slack for being a small team but the money they make from these expansions is massive.


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