Anothersock wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 6:34am:


I wasn't comparing the dev effort or production time on a new AAA IP release and an expansion.  I don't pay for something based on how much money it cost to make.  By your argument, why does a horror movie or rom-com (which cost 5-30 million to make) have the same ticket price at the theater or on-demand streaming price as a Marvel or Star Wars movie (which costs 200-300 million to make)?

I'm not sure you understand how game pricing works, honestly, if you think how big the dev team is and how many hours it took should be factored into how much a consumer is willing to pay.  Consumers base value on how much benefit they get for their dollars.   

You could, of course, make the argument that AAA games should not still cost $60-70 each, like they have since the 90's  With inflation, the games we were buying back then for $59.99 should cost $117 today.  But game prices have remained relatively flat.  Despite huge increases in production costs.   Honestly, for a good AAA game, I'd pay double what they are asking just for the standard edition.  I would not pay that for the standard edition of Isle of Dread.  I think $40 is fine value for standard.  It's about 60% the price of a AAA. 

And, Lol.  Yes.  I am a Noamineo sock.  You figured it out.  Great job by you.

 

Asheras wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 8:02am:

Were really arguing different things im looking at the value of the expansion and no matter how you slice it $140 for 12 quests and raid is poor value.

The value in DDO is not in the expansion its in the 15+ years of content and systems it already has. I look at the size and scope of an expansion like Endwalker vs Isle of Dread and its mind boggling how little content SSG can give us while charging $140.

Hardcore_Girl wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 1:06pm:


Theres no legendary TR with the xpac 30-32 is once and done (Legendary xp is banked) make no mistake there will be legendary TR down the line just not at lvl 32

Nah. Won't be getting it.

They're getting greedy, which means the rut they've used for the last 4 years is getting shaky. DDO can't survive another exodus, so it's time to move on.

There's still a few expansions left in the beast, of course. If you're not put off, enjoy, by all means.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you won't be able to level past 30 unless you buy the expansion.
They have to justify that DOUBLE THE COST price tag somehow.

But I'm sure the gear will be good. We always knew they would be happy to sell the power back to us that they took.

somenewnoob wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 8:40pm:


Nah. They said that they'll be upleveling a pack to 32, though if that's at the same time as Dread's release, I'd be surprised.

noamineo wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:14pm:


You really do like to say pointless shit that cements you as a fuckwit, don't you?

Justanotherlurker wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 8:15am:


Yep it's already confirmed in FAQ.

I'm gonna wait to see the raid - this will be my hot or not decision maker. I'd buy it right away if there would be 2 raids (history shows that in some cases they added a raid to an expansion when community pushed for it).

I paid the max for Ravenloft, and I was happy that I did.  The artwork and voice acting were amazing.  I won't mention the great story, because the dev team had it pre-written for them.
The items were +1 must haves and the set bonuses added a lot to the game.  It was also when I played more and game morale was high.
Player base is lower.  They nerfed those items and my toons to shit and are trying to sell it back to me.
They use their own staff for voice acting or a "special guest" from a pod cast.  bleh.  I have no hopes for this pack, but my friends will run it each life, so the cheap pack is just the cost of doing business.  I will also add that $40 (or whatever) is not a bad deal for a year of playing the same game.
SSG also tried to make the extras a bit more sexy than the Ravenloft EXTRA items.  You get a couple otto boxes.  What was Rloft?  (it's not worth looking up but hopefully I made my point)
For those that still have a high morale and high hopes for the game, it's probably a better value than what I bought years ago.
But, Fuck SSG.  Buttfuck SSG?  I go bare minimum, just like they do.

Dimensional augment bag was Sharn I believe. Not 100 percent sure as I bought the low end Sharn pack.

I'm late to the party, but no, I won't be getting it. At least not for a long time; over 11/12 months of the year, I'm usually not playing DDO anyway, so I typically pick up packs that are on sale (for Turbine Points) way after release. Haven't spent any money on DDO for many years because I've been very unsatisfied with the way Turbine/SSG has handled everything. Over the past 10 years, there's only been 1 update that I liked. MOTU is when it all started going downhill IMO.

Regarding the pricing, I'm pretty sure the $40 pack would be the only thing really worth getting. That contains the "meat" of the pack, namely the quests and Tabaxi. Everything else seems kinda superfluous. Not sure why anyone would spend $120 on that, especially anyone from DDOVault; my impression is we're all quite jaded here.

Even for $40 however, I doubt it'd be worth buying, for me at least. I play a lot of indie games and generally, my rule is $1 = 1 hour of entertainment. Most of the great games surpass that. DDO used to surpass that with old adventure packs that I still enjoy. But I doubt I'd get 40 hours of entertainment out of the new quests. Racial Reincarnating Tabaxi maybe; that's technically "additional content," but I've barely played enough to get any RRs anyway, so I still have plenty of other races to go through if I ever do want to play more DDO.

Anothersock wrote on May 27^th, 2022 at 6:38pm:


Its easy to see who is pre-ordering the pack because they have access to tabaxi. Just check out the ddoaudit site and look at the races. Most veterans on my server have pre-ordered and started grinding tabaxi racials.

ManyCookies wrote on May 27^th, 2022 at 8:12pm:

Doesn't vip get access even without buying it?  Or do they have to purchase the iconic?