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Jun 8th, 2022 at 8:27am
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Hi,

I am playing around with AAF from DH and it works pretty smooth so far. Is there a way to make the followers attack? I got 2 ranged characters and 2 melee with me.
Like turn on auto-target and they actually spring into attack action?
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Reply #1 - Jun 8th, 2022 at 9:37am
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I still need to hard target somehow for attacks. Some game settings screwing this up maybe?
  

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It works ok but if you want to move to the next level you will want to use AHK or other software to send commands to multiple windows
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 8th, 2022 at 3:03pm
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Snu Snu wrote on Jun 8th, 2022 at 11:26am:
I still need to hard target somehow for attacks. Some game settings screwing this up maybe?


Most likely the alts aren't pointed at anything. There's not really a setting for that, got to hard target.
  

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Snu Snu wrote on Jun 8th, 2022 at 11:26am:
I still need to hard target somehow for attacks. Some game settings screwing this up maybe?


No you don't. Your followers will track your facing.
  

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I know but they don't attack/react if I don't hard target. Doesn't matter if I am on ranged or melee.
I'll use AHK script for hard targeting then. I had hoped I could circumvent that.
  

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Snu Snu wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 12:23pm:
I know but they don't attack/react if I don't hard target. Doesn't matter if I am on ranged or melee.
I'll use AHK script for hard targeting then. I had hoped I could circumvent that.


Good luck asking the VoK guys for an enhancement. They do a lot of good work but have some very weird ideas about what they can and can't do.
  

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Reply #9 - Jun 9th, 2022 at 7:52pm
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isnt there an option in the ddo client about attacking soft targets?
  
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noamineo wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 2:03pm:
Good luck asking the VoK guys for an enhancement. They do a lot of good work but have some very weird ideas about what they can and can't do.


I was not going to?
  

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Snu Snu wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 8:26pm:
I was not going to?


That's probably for the best.
  

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And they could do a lot more, they just won't. It is not a question of skill. They are already walking a fine line between what is possible and what SSG will allow.
  

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Reply #13 - Jun 11th, 2022 at 9:16pm
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I may release a vault mod for it.

I think it's easier to hook ahk into the kundark plugin than it is to script onto different windows with input via ahk, which can cause issues.

I'm thinking maybe a supplementary AHK plugin - with pre-loaded scripts and the ability to execute your own.
That way window cycling is automated and all you need to do is write the script for one window to have it automatically execute on all of them (if set to do so).

This would bring the following 2 scripts:

Targeting, hitting tab or whatever you configure could cycle hard targets for all windows (they won't necessarily be the same target).

Use, hitting the u (or whatever you configure) would pick up the soft targeted collectible on all windows.
(The idea behind which is you can farm easy to get to collectibles on 6 followers).

That said, If I start messing with aaf I'd definitely add jump and same target hard targeting right into it.
It's really the 2 missing functions that would make playing 3 or 4 clients worth it.

I mean, I used to 6box ee raids with heals on barbs 6 years ago, but I'll admit I have been having issues multitasking as well as I once did. Those aaf functions would really make something similar a breeze...
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 12th, 2022 at 2:09pm
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Snu Snu wrote on Jun 11th, 2022 at 2:00am:
It is not a question of skill. They are already walking a fine line between what is possible and what SSG will allow.


They are really not, though. isboxer has been around for 10 years, does way more than awesomeAF, and is completely off SSG's radar. People using ahk scripts to do the same things one can achieve with isboxer or AAF have been around since lunch. Turbine didn't care then, SSG doesn't care now.

Its more like the VoK crew are too afraid of SSG. I don't blame them. But they seem to be under the impression they can get sued at the drop of a hat by a company who can barely afford in-house QA testing.
  

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Reply #15 - Jun 12th, 2022 at 2:12pm
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Anothersock wrote on Jun 11th, 2022 at 9:16pm:
I may release a vault mod for it.


How tough would it be to make a "transfer all chest loot" function? EG hit a button and the followers automatically click on the chest and pass in chest each item to the main?
  

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Reply #16 - Jun 13th, 2022 at 3:01am
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Not sure it's possible. The first item in there, sure, maybe. After you swap the first the first changes, so it may be possible to keep going.

The problem is you can't ahk an image of the name as the background changes, also making find text hard or impossible to do.

Basically I don't see a good way to select the name unless there is some special keyboard only access or a custom UI skin involved where the background is a solid color.

Better question is, why the fuck would you waste your time with that?
Who the hell even botheres to open the chest - ans of those few, who the hell would pick anything but coin, gems & named items?
  
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Reply #17 - Jun 13th, 2022 at 5:22am
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Anothersock wrote on Jun 11th, 2022 at 9:16pm:
I may release a vault mod for it.

I think it's easier to hook ahk into the kundark plugin than it is to script onto different windows with input via ahk, which can cause issues.

I'm thinking maybe a supplementary AHK plugin - with pre-loaded scripts and the ability to execute your own.
That way window cycling is automated and all you need to do is write the script for one window to have it automatically execute on all of them (if set to do so).

This would bring the following 2 scripts:

Targeting, hitting tab or whatever you configure could cycle hard targets for all windows (they won't necessarily be the same target).

Use, hitting the u (or whatever you configure) would pick up the soft targeted collectible on all windows.
(The idea behind which is you can farm easy to get to collectibles on 6 followers).

That said, If I start messing with aaf I'd definitely add jump and same target hard targeting right into it.
It's really the 2 missing functions that would make playing 3 or 4 clients worth it.

I mean, I used to 6box ee raids with heals on barbs 6 years ago, but I'll admit I have been having issues multitasking as well as I once did. Those aaf functions would really make something similar a breeze...

Why so complicated?
I personally use ISBoxer but you can use AHK as a free solution you can simply send the tab key to all clients

for a more sophisticated approach if you have your master join the group last you can have the slaves press F6 then the assist key so you can focus fire

In terms of breaking the rules as long as you follow the guideline one keypress = 1 action per client multiboxing is generally supported (automation is not allowed)
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Reply #18 - Jun 13th, 2022 at 7:33am
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ISBoxer and innerspace is really the way to go. To have everyone loot the chest you can just stand in front of it and hit Q then E then B and everyone will loot. Then use mouse broadcasting to click yes on the windows for BTA/C stuff.

Having everyone pass to the same person is not possible because everyone's loot list is different. So, the name "l337gamer" may appear as position two for one toon but position three for another toon. This requires clicking into each screen and passing manually. This is pretty easy to do with ISBoxer as you can make a hotkey that rotates you to each window.

You can do an auto pass but that would require automation and ISBoxer/VoK won't be doing any of that, so they do not violate ToS .

The VoK guys are doing some amazing stuff. They are working on a new map system that auto maps including drop locations, chests etc.

If you have some time hop on their discord and give them honest feedback/suggestions. They are a bunch of solid guys, that play the game, who just want to increase quality of life in the game without violating any ToS.
  
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Anothersock wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 3:01am:
Better question is, why the fuck would you waste your time with that?
Who the hell even botheres to open the chest - ans of those few, who the hell would pick anything but coin, gems & named items?


Anyone who's farming for cannith essences. Getting 6x lvl 30 items per chest beats 1. "Take everything and sell the vendor trash later" just sounded easier to implement than picking out the good stuff.
  

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Reply #20 - Jun 13th, 2022 at 1:07pm
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Gunnerz wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 7:33am:
You can do an auto pass but that would require automation and ISBoxer/VoK won't be doing any of that, so they do not violate ToS .


How would this violate ToS?

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If you have some time hop on their discord and give them honest feedback/suggestions. They are a bunch of solid guys, that play the game, who just want to increase quality of life in the game without violating any ToS.


I have nothing but nice things to say about the VoK guys. Except that I'm not sure they really understand what a ToS is, and what constitutes a violation of it...
  

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noamineo wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 1:07pm:
How would this violate ToS?


I have nothing but nice things to say about the VoK guys. Except that I'm not sure they really understand what a ToS is, and what constitutes a violation of it...


You know you are right I realized I was just talking out of my ass on that one. I have never read the TOS.

To me botting is when you use a third-party program to make a decision for you in game then the program executes an action without any input from the user.

That being said what I think doesn't really matter. The TOS for DDO will be whatever SSG perceives it to be. I think that is the issue for the guys at VoK. They honestly just want to improve quality of life for players in the game and not get shutdown by SSG in the process.
  
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Gunnerz wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 3:50pm:
The TOS for DDO will be whatever SSG perceives it to be.


This is pretty much what it all comes down to. Anyone who's spent a decent amount of time on the motherboards is familiar with fat jerry's creative interpretation of the community guidelines.

Some things though don't really have a leg to stand on. I tried to convince the VoK guys a while back to add some kind of "keep alive" function to AwesomeAF(basically just trigger a jump or something every so often so the alts stay connected). This is borderline a requirement since, spoiler alert, AAF followers can be marked AFK while actively walking(somehow whatever sorcery AAF runs on, it doesn't qualify as key inputs). DDO already has a "feature" that lets you bypass the timeouts(open the menu click logout then leave the confirmation up) and keep alives would be covered under the same anti-botting rules in ToS(for which they do not qualify).

Well the VoK guys believe including a keep-alive system would be "replicating a vip feature"(since VIPs have a longer timeout). Its weird. I mean its up to them I'm not gonna push the issue, but everyone in the world is using keep-alives in MMOs and nobody is getting banned for them.
  

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Reply #23 - Jun 14th, 2022 at 6:28am
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This is totally news to me. My bots never went afk while following. I used AAF right in the beginning for quite extensively for about 3 weeks or so, took a break and came back just recently as they published DH 3.0 or whatever. I'd say I used it in total about 6 weeks for about 20 hours a week in different states of development and never had that happen.
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Reply #24 - Jun 14th, 2022 at 3:18pm
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Snu Snu wrote on Jun 14th, 2022 at 6:28am:
This is totally news to me. My bots never went afk while following. I used AAF right in the beginning for quite extensively for about 3 weeks or so, took a break and came back just recently as they published DH 3.0 or whatever. I'd say I used it in total about 6 weeks for about 20 hours a week in different states of development and never had that happen.


Probably just different use-case. I tend to have my chest-pullers follow a bellweather, not my main(which I play on a different PC). The main goes out and does the quest while the alts pike at the entrance; sometimes that takes a while because fuck trying hard at things. To keep the alts alive I would use AAF to take a step forward every 5-10 minutes. Well the bellweather did fine, but all the alts stayed afk and got logged out. Since then I use the logout confirmation trick.
  

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