Gunga wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 1:55pm:


Hot damn. Seems like that should have been caught with the most rudimentary of QA.

Shunned wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 2:28pm:


Lol this is true.

Gunga wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 1:55pm:


If that's the reason they closed it, then I'll echo what others said: yeah, that really should've been fixed with some rudimentary testing

What also gets me is how Turbine's default response to criticism and complaints is to just lock threads (as we saw). Is it too hard to outsource a few guys from India to occasionally post on the forums "we understand your frustration and are doing the needful to get fixed?" I guess basic customer service is too difficult for Turbine. I've seen 15-year old kids working at Wendys who have a better grasp of customer service than Cordo and friends do.

The problem is that a lot of players continue to brownnose and support Turbine's assfuckery. I don't understand why anyone would buy the expansion if they are familiar with Turbine's track record.

Did someone get 7500 explorer kills on day one? That's impressive. Or did they see this on llama.

They have so many things to test (and I'm not defending them), but if I were doing QA for this game being understaffed, then testing "What happens if I have maxed my slayers in the new area then kill something else?" would not be high on the things to test.
They have had this mechanic for years.  An understaffed QA team is not going to think to test that.  Maybe it is in a test plan somewhere, but I doubt there would be time to get that far in the plan.

Quit bitching about "a good QA team would have caught this".  They don't have the staffing to do every iteration of every thing in this damned 16 year old game.

Speaking as a QA guy, not has an apologist for SSG.

Quote:


A QA engineer walks into a bar.

He orders a beer.
He orders 1 beer.
He orders one beer.
He orders 9 beers.
He orders 9,000 beers.
He orders 9,001 beers.
He orders H beers.

erver Downtime: 7:30 PM Eastern - 9:30 PM Eastern

    The DDO game worlds are being brought down for a hotfix to re-open the Isle of Dread landscape. Thank you for your patience.

that was fast

Shunned wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 8:43pm:


Almost as fast as when they nerfed horses.

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Then they shouldn't be rushing out expansions in ~9 months because they are fixated on the money. Spend at least a year, or 1.5 years like the amount of time they spent on Ravenloft and Sharn. Deliver a high quality product to your playerbase.

Put up the test server for longer, players will test your game for FREE.

Its really not rocket science.

IIRC DDO does make a substantial amount of profit each year so maybe they should use some of that to hire more staff if they are so short handed? Operating expenses does not even come close to accounting for most of that money unless they are giving themselves massive bonuses or something.

ManyCookies wrote on Jun 24^th, 2022 at 10:33am:


Yeah that's how I feel, too. Like I mentioned earlier, it's not like Turbine has clients who are lined up and demand their deliverables by a certain deadline. I can't imagine there's a single DDO player who says "I WANT MY EXPANSION NAO!!!" My feeling was always that players would rather wait a few weeks for an announced expansion to drop, as long as it's a quality product.

bob the builder wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 8:49pm:


The thing is, I don't really feel this bug would've been that hard to pick up. Let's assume you have a few guys running around in Isle of Dread testing stuff. Let's say we're understaffed and we have a party of 4.

1. Everyone joins a party then pops a slayer pot.

2. Everyone runs around getting slayers, tests a segment of the map for rares/explorers etc. Everyone will note any issues with rares or explorers; these things should definitely be tested as they are the finalized deliverables. Recall once everyone's finished their section.

3. Now, rotate stations. Tester B goes to the section that Tester A did originally, etc. This way, you get more Slayers, plus you get additional rounds of testing for each segment of the map. Maybe Tester B will find an issue with a rare encounter which Tester A did not. Maybe Tester C finds an environmental clipping issue which Tester B did not. This is why multiple rounds of testing is always helpful.

I would imagine this process would not take too long. Probably an hour, two hours at most to test out the entire wilderness area. And during this testing, you're getting a LOT of slayer kills, provided you have a slayer pot (which you should have in the dev environment). Also, for testing purposes, I would imagine the software engineers should create an "uber slayer count potion" that makes slayers that much easier. I don't think 7500 slayers with a party of 4 would take longer than 2 hours. 2 hours x 4 QA testers = 8 billable hours total, which is nothing.

With a slayer pot and multiple testers in the dev environment, I would be very surprised if testing stopped at 7500. It's almost guaranteed that you'll exceed 7500. At which point the bug would've become obvious.

And yes, like ManyCookies mentioned: players probably would've tested the functionality for free, too. My only guess is that the wilderness area really wasn't tested at all, or the testers were too rushed for time. I wouldn't necessarily blame the QA department because they don't call the shots; it just reeks of poor judgment on whoever is managing the development/testing and/or the dev -> live pipeline.

Justanotherlurker wrote on Jun 24^th, 2022 at 10:36am:

Did you not read what I said?
fuck, i think most of you are very high on the spectrum.

bob the builder wrote on Jun 25^th, 2022 at 1:59pm:


Well, of course all of us are. Why else do you think we post on the vault play DDO?

Bob just shut the fuck up. Really.
There is no excuse for the shit show that ddo has CONSISTENTLY been for the past 12 years.
They lack even the most basic of testing. More importantly.
They work on shit no one - and I mean literally not a fucking single person in the whole goddamn world - told them to work on, and then proceed to get pissed when people tell them how fucking moronic steelstar & Co are.

From any standpoint you take, even that of a single dev doing the work of 200 employees, this shit wouldn't fly.
There's literally one company world wide where this behaviour is exhibited, and that's Turdbine.
Even the fucktards that make Elite Dangerous have more fucking respect for their own work and test things before release (Though they do rival turdbine in sheer stupidity).

Re lamma going down.
They don't keep it up longer because they risk having people find *all* the bugs / exploits.
You can chain test builds, get any piece of gear (with a Lil digging) and find what is truly overpowered to build into.