ManyCookies wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:11am:


If you're running Primal yes.

Incinerating Wave counts as a spell, hence if primal procs on it, the ability can crit. It cannot crit on melee strikes.

That being said whoever was talking about the RNG; I assure you it procs quite often, practically every 5 seconds you'll go through all 3 damage types or 2 if you took Heart for some reason.

Actually, I could probably make heart work on my 14 pal/6 monk build because theoretically you could proc the cocoon portion of the mantle with light finisher.

I just got my build to 20 last night; I can say that from the moment I got Incinerating Wave (pal 11, which was level 17 for me) I never stopped using it. It's 3 procs of damage scaling on pal levels and melee power. I'm memeing and going handwraps for the first playthrough for shiggles and I'm still averaging about 400-500 damage per wave without crits at least in heroics. I'm hoping/assuming that damage will increase once EDs are tossed in.

Edit: Sitting at 43 melee power while buffed at level 20, went into borderlands wilderness to test Incinerating Wave. It was hitting for about 200-300 per damage type, (3x 200-300) and on crits I was seeing about 400-500 procs. So it's definitely a nice little chunk. For reference I jumped about 100 damage per type between level 18 and 20, AKA: 2 paladin levels and about 25 more melee power than I had in heroics.

I can say the 14/6 is extremely durable. And between Radiant Savant and Fists of Light/Healing Ki I'm nigh immortal in all fights. The only real downside is I didn't bother with stunning fist given I thought the DC would be too low once in epics. Having no CC did make fighting reapers before getting 12 and the drain immunity from SF tree rough. But otherwise saves kept me safe from caster reapers and carnies and plagues had a hard time swinging at me.

ManyCookies wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 4:25am:


The +3 enchant and +1W aren't working with handwraps?

Divine Crusader has particularly good synergy with KOTC because of the bonuses to smite: 30% faster regeneration, 1d2/level AoE healing, and +7 smite uses/rest. With Holy Retribution, it effectively means that KOTC will NEVER run out of Smites. (Unfortunately for SF, you get no Holy Retribution, which means at best, you're only regenning 1 smite/minute)

But the Smite bonuses are the only exceptionally good thing about the tree. Mantle is nice, but Grandmaster, Dreadnaught, and Sentinel have very good mantles too. Sentinel in particular gives +15 heal amp and Rule of Law for 1d6/level AoE law damage that scales with 200% MP. I don't know the exact proc rate of Rule of Law, but I do notice it's REALLY fucking high, to the point that I feel it's the best Melee mantle for DPS, despite ironically belonging in the "Tank Destiny." I'll take that mantle any day over Crusader mantle.

The Primal thing sounds cool, though. I may have to check that out. I can see it having decent synergy with EK.

Edrein wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 10:50am:


43 seems kind of low, even for Sacred Fist. You said you're 14 Pal, so: 14 MP Righteous Command + 2 tome + 10 crown of butterflies + 6 GTWF + 10 T5 SF + 10 Saltmarsh or Sands set + 15 ED cores = 67 at least, +5 for exalted smite when that's active, + whatever reaper and mythic bonuses you have.

Regardless, I look at the SF tree and am reminded that it doesn't get Ascendency... oof. That's +45 melee power against reapers/undead/evil outsiders that SF will never have. And the ability to no-fail stun reapers 5% of the time... seriously, how was it possible for them to fuck up SF so badly?

Edrein wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 10:50am:


So all the sacred fist/henshin mystic spells use spell crit instead of your weapon's crit profile? Is that what you meant?

And im still confused as to how you are scaling the primal mantle. It looks like you would need 3 different types of spellpower?

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What do you think of the fatesinger mantle then? Or the ED in general for melee? It seems to have a very high damaging spammable ST epic strike and an OKish cleave. Reign and Harmonic Resonance seem good as well.

Thinking outside the box here.

I recently had an aura healer melee cleric. That build got killed off by the ED revamp. Aura healing actually got way stronger by adding the EA mantle, but melee dps went in the shitter.

But since SF gets the Radiant Servant aura...what if you made a caster paladin that went all in on auras? You should be able to stack up the henshin AoE, DC consecrate, EA mantle, RS healing aura. RS caps at class level 18, so you could add a mini ES aura with a warlock split to stack procs. No need to cast at range so EDF gets to stay on.

Auras mean you are free to punch. Your punch DPS will be terrible, so might as well be the tank and punch with threat gen. Cha is your main stat for everything so Intim is viable.

Are there any other auras/AoEs a paladin18/warlock1/FvS1 could add?

ManyCookies wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 9:44am:


I'm going to go with you've never played these type of characters before.

Anything in the game that is an ability (think EDs, enhancements, etc.) that is actually a spell in coding will use spell critical chance.

Bolder Toss, Shadow Dagger, Vistani Knife Fan, etc. They can all crit, based on spell crit chance. And spell critical damage applies to them as well.

They might use Melee Power, Ranged Power, Spellpower, etc. to 'scale the damage' but again. If it's a spell it uses crit% from caster gear.

And yes, you'd need 3 types of spellpower to maximize the Primal Mantle. Luckily for us; every mantle corresponds to a type of gearing widely available. Light and Fire are usually bundled together. Cold and Electric are together as Storm prefix, and Acid and Poison/Neg are also generally grouped. You usually have to pick up the third spellpower on its own.