So I got done with my fisto-paladin lives today(which were gimp as fuck but a lot of fun) and moved on to Dark Apostate. I'm not going to pretend like I built a perfect character but so far it really sucks. I knew it wasn't going to be awesome, but at least fisto-paladin had fun animations.

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Gotta find the fun somewhere. If all we care about is numbers why not just sit around rolling dice all day and cheer when you get a good one?


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If I ran an MMO I'd have an employee who's day job was to play the game and report back to me. If at all possible I'd hire a non-gamer for this role. The Strimtoms of the world are great, but there aren't enough of them to fund the entire game. I would also make said employee chat on the forums. Not as a community manager or any visible "official" capacity

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Maybe I'll respec my Suck Apostate into that. I thought "Hey, yeah, swf with KT warhammer favored weapon, I can't lose!" And then I lost.

noamineo wrote on Sep 10^th, 2022 at 9:18pm:


Thank you for supporting the game and giving fat jerry another Big Mac 

Hardcore_Girl wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:18am:


I didn't pay for it. It was given away free several updates ago after another time SSG completely fucked over a particular class. I forget which one.

Binkey wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 8:58am:


The problem is a combination of targeting and the fact that the new mass inflict spells suck. If you're playing melee everything is very wild and chaotic, what you have actively targeted may not be what you're swinging at. So quite often I would hit the button to cast a mass inflict, the spell would go on cooldown and the mana would be spent; annnnd nothing would happen save for an error message "you are not facing such and such"

This is as compared to the convenience of death aura and negative energy burst, which are just centered on you. I think if the various mass inflicts did that it'd be a lot better for melee. Still not very good though.

ManyCookies wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 4:11pm:


Because I thought Dark Apostate was a melee tree and I wanted to play a melee cleric.

As it turns out, I was wrong.

Currently 12 cleric/5 wizard/1 barbarian(don't ask) and thinking I'll just do slayers until I hit 20. I wasn't planning to play to cap. Still got 2 more dark apostate lives to do; but I'll either play as a nuker or something else. Haven't decided exactly yet. I do know I'll be using +50% potions to get it over with faster.

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Mechanically it's the best and only 'sound/functional' archetype, in the sense that you can play it 1-32 and contribute.

It plays like a better mix of Air Savant/Ice Savant as a build; however, you quickly realize it has the glaring noob trap of not having an immunity stripper.

Normally I'm not big on the whole everything needs a stripper argument, however, in this case it drastically needs it. Whenever you run into something that's lightning immune (which is your true main element out of the three), you'll hilariously find that the mob is also immune or highly resistant to cold. And following that trend, usually said mob is also resistant to sonic.

Had they not nerfed Sonic Blast into the ground, it might have been decent. But until they update Shout/Greater Shout with less buggy cones, then this is kind of dead.

The lightning spells in the spellbook carry the Stormsinger. Niac's Ray SLA is a meme because the DLC is so incredibly low that even on my triple comp main I found it starting to be saved almost constantly in content beyond level 10. By the time I reached sharn in heroic I stopped using that SLA all together due to the save.

The Niac's Biting Cold SLA is actually interesting imo; it has potential with Draconic. But the issue is this SLA doesn't do initial tick damage like the spell used to (who knows maybe they've changed the base spell since the last time I've cast it.)

The massive SP difference between Spellsinger and Stormsinger is the biggest hurdle. Prior to you hitting epics and level 23 to run Primal Avatar mantle for nigh infinite SP, you'll find yourself having to play shrine-by-shrine instead of having sustain.


Now, I only played Sacred Fist at cap for 2 seconds. Damage was low/lackluster, but honestly it was fun to play. Which is weird. I enjoy the fun, but it's not viable to be played longterm. Burn through the lives and play something else.

So what kind of build would you suggest to just knock out Sacred Fist and DA, skipping epics?

10 Cleric + ?
10 Pally + ?

Or do we still want the level 12 cores?

Note: Fuck Handwraps for the SF run ups.

Edit: I have all my racials so prob Tabaxi for speed

platfarmchink wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 10:38pm:


I’ve heard 18 SF/1 FVS/1 Monk is a fine split for using the wraps or focusing on daggers with VKF. I’m planning on running a DEX SDK as 18 SF/1 Rogue/1 Monk with wraps. And using the chain attacks and the whirlwind enhancement for AOE

I’ve heard 12 SF/6 fighter/2 FVS is good if you want to use Kensei to use any weapon while centered. Some were using longswords and going SWF. The general consensus I’ve heard is the whirlwind attack from the SF tree costs enough ki that they were better off not taking the SF tier 5 abilities and just using the standard whirlwind attack as a ki builder.

You could go Tabaxi, take a level of FVS/Cleric before SF for follower of the silver flame, and skip the whole SF enhancement tree and use HW with zen archery, or even better go 14 SF/6 fighter with inquisitive and Kensei for centering xbows.

noamineo wrote on Sep 21^st, 2022 at 2:37pm:


I mean correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t an Iconic SF life be faster than rushing to 20 on anything else? I still need to grind out other Iconic lives so I’ll be doing those first instead.

The other big brain alternative if to play a regular Paladin build instead and then use a +0 Lesser heart to swap to SF then TR

Someone had posted on Reddit that you could swap from base Paladin to SF during an ETR, but I haven’t had a chance to verify that yet. If that’s true the real plan imo would be to play base to 30, ETR into the archetype then TR.